# Owner of /r/Redpill outed as New Hampshire politician **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387 "2017-04-27T19:14:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/41 "2017-04-28T09:16:58Z")
> [@Dr.Crap](#): > > When he’s not on Stormfront and /r/TheRedPill, **AK84** is a detective with a background in criminal psychology. Just kidding! He masturbates. Only one thing posted there is accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/42 "2017-04-28T09:18:10Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > No. Those guys vote for them because they think “he tells it like it is”. “He ain’t PC”. They approve of the form. Not necessarily the substance. So regardless of actual conviction or intent, form alone CAN have real consequences. And you still think there’s no harm in it? > [@](#): > > And I have dealt with abusers. They don’t normally act the way these guys do. They don’t should loudly with spittal pouring like Hitler. They prefer to act and be seen as “reasonable”. Upstanding citizens. Why do you think so many men of the cloth were revealed as abusers? Not cause it’s an inherently bad profession, it’s respectability provided a shield. Everyone can look out for The boisterous drunk who beats his wife. Not so much the country club going businessman who gives to charity and has inflicted emotional and physical abuse towards his family for years. Wait, so your contention is that the (predominantly anonymous) Red Pill crowd can’t be actual abusers in real life because actual abusers tend to present a civil facade in real life while hiding their true vileness in the shaddows? Do you see the hole in that argument? ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/43 "2017-04-28T10:07:01Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > It is so unapologetically misogynistic and full of he-man woman hater, that it is pretty obviously satire. 95% of what is written there is guys writing what they are sure will get the biggest rise. This makes absolutely not sense at all. If they want to troll they wouldn’t write misogynistic stuff at redpill, they’d do it here. Or if they want to troll at redpill they’d write feminist stuff. But saying that they are trying to get the biggest rise by writing just like the majority is just stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/44 "2017-04-28T10:24:41Z")
Exactly. Just who are they supposed to be trolling? The remaining 5%? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/45 "2017-04-28T11:23:19Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > _These guys are not dangerous. They are good to be laughed at and that is all._ Now compare them with the erudite, courteous bosses and politicians. Who would never dream as to say such nasty and offensive things. Who say women are awesome. But who would go and cut funding funding for reproductive health. Who are “horrified” at harassment, but whose old boy networks keep opportunities and connections from women professionals. _You are seriously arguing that a bunch of guys with access to keyboards and too much time are more dangerous than that?_ Italics mine. Besides keyboards, they might have access to acid… > **[What happened to one woman for refusing a marriage proposal](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/woman-left-with-horrific-burns-after-acid-attack-for-rejecting-marriage-proposal-a7049871.html)** > > Saima Mehmood, 21, needed emergency treatment for her face and chest [http://www.acidviolence.org/index.php/survivors/category/pakistan/](http://www.acidviolence.org/index.php/survivors/category/pakistan/) (NSFW) > **[Pakistani Taliban target female students with acid attack | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2012/11/03/world/asia/pakistan-acid-attack/)** > > The Pakistani Taliban claim responsibility for an acid attack on a college bus in northern Pakistan which left two girls with burned faces, a doctor said. \*And yes, this happens in other nations and other cultures, but given AK84’s nationality, I thought to highlight these. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/46 "2017-04-28T11:51:38Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Italics mine. > > Besides keyboards, they might have access to acid… > > [Woman left with horrific burns after acid attack for rejecting marriage proposal | The Independent | The Independent](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/woman-left-with-horrific-burns-after-acid-attack-for-rejecting-marriage-proposal-a7049871.html) > > [http://www.acidviolence.org/index.php/survivors/category/pakistan/](http://www.acidviolence.org/index.php/survivors/category/pakistan/) (NSFW) > > [http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/03/world/asia/pakistan-acid-attack/](http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/03/world/asia/pakistan-acid-attack/) > > \*And yes, this happens in other nations and other cultures, but given AK84’s nationality, I thought to highlight these. And given my nationality and profession, you also forgot these [Violence against children](https://www.dawn.com/news/1178739) [Domestic Violence](http://pakistaniwomen.org/index.php/2016/08/20/violence-against-women-in-pakistan/). You want to use acid attack survivors as a trump card to win an argument over the internet? I have seen directly types of violence visited upon people of a description you cannot even imagine. Things I did’t actually think were possible. The types that they don’t publish in international newspapers. And I have met the perps too. And no, those guys are about as related to Redpill crowd as a Nazi to a schoolyard bully. So, if you want to turn this into a discussion on gender, class or ethnic based violence in Pakistan or the motivations of the attackers, then lets have at it. Hope you have a strong stomach. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/47 "2017-04-28T12:07:21Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Oye. I love the redpill. _Stop the presses!_ ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/48 "2017-04-28T12:17:34Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Seriously, you are citing Cracked? And are you saying that MRA and feminism are somehow equal? Because despite all the eye rolling feminists statements and writings might justifiably elicit, at heart they have absolutely genuine issues which need addressing. I can’t think of any issue that MRA’s can point to and say yeah that’s true at its heart. The article raises a number of cogent points. “MRA=Feminism” is not one of them. Not entirely sure where you got that idea. > [@](#): > > The only thing facile is that extract you posted. Presuming the “Mike Woods” quoted in the article is the [same as this guy](https://conspiracypsychology.com/author/disinfoagent/), he is shilling a fucking book. That’s nice; is he wrong, or does that in _any_ way discredit what he’s saying? [He’s an expert](http://www.winchester.ac.uk/academicdepartments/psychology/staff/Pages/DrMichaelWood.aspx) speaking on or at least directly adjacent to his field of expertise; the fact that he’s selling a book does nothing to discredit that. Additionally, what he’s saying should be blatantly obvious to anyone who’s spent any time whatsoever on sites like this. But please, continue shooting the messenger, see how convincing that is when you’re defending the fucking red pill subreddit. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/49 "2017-04-28T12:22:38Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > _Stop the presses!_ …_.Vinyl Turnip still has the comprehension capacity of a sugar high 4 year old_. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/50 "2017-04-28T12:36:54Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The article raises a number of cogent points. “MRA=Feminism” is not one of them. Not entirely sure where you got that idea. Your own excerpt in the above post > [@](#): > > "Individuals will try to conform to what the group mandates.” This is true of not just the Red Pill, but its opponents. \*\*While radical feminists on Tumblr, for example, become more extreme in their views, so too does the subreddit. In many ways, the extremes of each group justify one another’s existence in their minds. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/51 "2017-04-28T12:53:26Z")
If you don’t understand the difference between radical feminism and feminism, you probably aren’t qualified to opine on the relative degrees of assholery involved in the RF/MRA echo chambers concerned. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/52 "2017-04-28T12:56:46Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > If you don’t understand the difference between radical feminism and feminism, you probably aren’t qualified to opine on the relative degrees of assholery involved in the RF/MRA echo chambers concerned. :rolleyes: So you think MRA guys have a point? Cause Radical Feminists and Feminists have actual points that are valid. The main difference between the two is what the remedy is. Not the probelms. Which are absolutely real. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/53 "2017-04-28T12:57:23Z")
> [@Dr.Crap](#): > > Propagating hatred and facilitating violence go hand in hand. Now would be a good time for private citizens in NH to oust Fisher, [especially since he has refused to resign](https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/04/26/lawmaker-accused-starting-red-pill-forum-reddit-won-resign/RD057SBlGTwLoOMC9lLVLM/story.html). Now? How would they do it now? I don’t believe NH allows recall. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/54 "2017-04-28T13:07:24Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > > > _Stop the presses!_ > > …_.Vinyl Turnip still has the comprehension capacity of a sugar high 4 year old_. Not punchy enough for a headline. Howsabout: _Plucky Poster still as petulant as a preschooler!_ Or if it’s a science and nature journal: \*Turnip offers educational benefits for those with distorted perception of reality \* ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/55 "2017-04-28T13:09:48Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > :rolleyes: > So you think MRA guys have a point? Cause Radical Feminists and Feminists have actual points that are valid. The main difference between the two is what the remedy is. Not the probelms. Which are absolutely real. Radical feminism involves a suite of arguments that are largely based on axioms that are unsupported by evidence, in particular that gender is primarily or entirely a social construct. It’s a largely academic field that remains somewhat divorced from reality. You know, like dweebs who contribute to Redpill. The RF movement has little to do with actually agitating for women’s equality or even against misogyny, and there is a substantial component aligned with transphobic hatemongering. Your knowledge of precisely what the MRA people are about, and the actual damage they do, seems to be rather superficial and apologetic. That’s not surprising, given your own substantial posting history of oblivious sexism. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/56 "2017-04-28T13:34:39Z")
Let’s try a different tack. > [@AK84](#): > > You know what. That’s a good reasonable post. And a fair argument. One I don’t totally disagree with. So, what in[**Budget Player Cadet** ’s post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20168742&postcount=23)do you agree with? Maybe we can build on that? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/57 "2017-04-28T13:46:34Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Your knowledge of precisely what the MRA people are about, and the actual damage they do, seems to be rather superficial and apologetic. That’s not surprising, given your own substantial posting history of oblivious sexism. Considering I have mentioned MRA’s only in passing and that too negatively, (the Redpill is not synonymous with MRA, although it has them) I am curious as to and where the hell you get “_given your own substantial posting history of oblivious sexism_”. Do you have an actual argument, instead of using boilerplate buzzwords. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/58 "2017-04-28T13:58:33Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Let’s try a different tack. > > So, what in[**Budget Player Cadet** ’s post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20168742&postcount=23)do you agree with? > Maybe we can build on that? The poster says that sites such as these give a platform to vile and despicable opinions. I agree. Where I disagree is when s/he states that everyone who visits and posts there (full disclosure, I have never posted on the website Reddit ever) is necessarily vile and dangerous. Or necessarily supports. Or that reading it somehow makes you an approver of the message. A significant portion of Redpill posters are women, who try to debate the more extreme posters.Or with good intentions somehow convince them that women are not evil. In a later post **Budget** gives examples of criminal actions undertaken by people “inspired” by sites like this. Frankly, I doubt sites like this will inspire people either way. People who commit these acts already have the propensity to do so even before RedPill and its ilk were ever created. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/59 "2017-04-28T14:14:58Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The poster says that sites such as these give a platform to vile and despicable opinions. I agree. Where I disagree is . . . Budget Player Cadet pointed out that Stormfront (which you likened RedPill to) is a real example of a vile and socially noxious forum that is NOT a joke. You can accept that, right? What about BPC’s last point in that post? > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It’s not just some kids having a laugh. It was never intended as satire or parody. The guy who invented it legitimately thinks men are oppressed, and has damn near a phobia of false rape accusations. That’s what this thread is about, afterall. The real-world anti-feminist lawmaker who started RedPill, not as a joke. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387/60 "2017-04-28T15:55:00Z")
“A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that’s just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it’s a joke.” ― Søren Kierkegaard, Either/Or, Part I [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/owner-of-r-redpill-outed-as-new-hampshire-politician/785387.md?page=4)