# Oxford High school shooting in Michigan \[1-DEC-2021\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 1, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294 "2021-12-01T15:31:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/121 "2023-09-29T20:47:38Z")
[A judge ruled today](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/29/us/ethan-crumbley-trial-shooting-sentencing/index.html) that Crumbley is eligible for life without the possibility of parole, the harshest possible sentence in Michigan. > The judge in Crumbley’s case considered the teen’s behavior both before the mass shooting and during his time in custody since his arrest, he said Friday. > Since his arrest, the judge said, Crumbley this year bypassed technical security on a jail tablet to watch graphic, violent content online. > > Rowe said Crumbley’s rehabilitation in prison is unlikely because of his “obsession” with violence. > > “If the defendant continues to be obsessed with violence in the jail, how can there be a possibility of rehabilitation?” the judge sai > > “It’s clear to this court the defendant had an obsession with violence before the shooting,” Rowe said, citing Crumbley’s disturbing writings and documented violence against animals before the mass shooting. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/122 "2023-09-29T20:54:52Z")
what happened to the parents? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/123 "2023-09-29T21:00:25Z")
That is what I am wondering. It sure seems like they have some culpability in the way all this played out. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/124 "2023-09-29T21:00:31Z")
The parents are still in jail awaiting trial on four counts of involuntary manslaughter. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/125 "2023-09-29T21:02:19Z")
> **[Parents of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley appeal order to stand trial](https://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-michigan-school-shooter-ethan-crumbley-appeal-order/story?id=99433657)** > > The parents of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley have filed appeals to the Michigan Supreme Court after an appeals court ruled they will stand trial in the case. > **[Prosecutors expose new Facebook messages, other evidence in case against...](https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2023/07/02/prosecutors-expose-new-facebook-messages-other-evidence-in-case-against-oxford-shooters-parents/)** > > Oakland County prosecutors exposed new evidence against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter this week, including Facebook messages, interview recordings, and a piece of information about the gun receipt. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/126 "2023-09-30T01:56:17Z")
ahh k thanks ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/127 "2023-12-08T21:56:45Z")
And a little while ago, the judge did in fact [sentence Crumbly to life without the possibility of parole.](https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ethan-crumbley-sentencing-oxford-shooting-12-08-23/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/128 "2024-01-23T14:06:40Z")
> **[Mother of Oxford school shooter faces trial in historic prosecution](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/01/22/jennifer-crumbley-trial-preview/)** > > Trials of the Oxford school shooter’s mother and father mark the first time parents have faced involuntary manslaughter charges for their child’s mass shooting. Non-paywalled repost: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mother-of-oxford-school-shooter-faces-trial-in-historic-prosecution/ar-BB1h6dUs](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mother-of-oxford-school-shooter-faces-trial-in-historic-prosecution/ar-BB1h6dUs) Jennifer Crumbley will be the first parent to stand trial while her husband, James, faces trial March 5 on identical charges. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/129 "2024-01-25T15:23:52Z")
opening statements are going on now. they expect ms crumbley to testify in her own defence. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/130 "2024-02-02T14:43:45Z")
things have hit the attorney-client fan. on the stand yest. ms crumbley was asked about her staying at hotels after the shooting. she stated that she and her husband were afraid for their lives, and were not “running for the border”. something in that line of questioning caught the attention of the prosecution. today the prosecution is arguing that that opened the door to communications between attorney and client during that time. they would like to have that waived and get copies of the text messages to see exactly what was being said/done at that time. the judge is going through arguments from both sides and will have to decide on it. this is holding up things a bit this morning. i’m sure the defence was very careful and fully prepared on having ms crumbley on the stand. something in the testimony yest. cracked an unexpected door. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/131 "2024-02-02T15:11:05Z")
ah, ms crumbley mentioned on the stand that she was texting/communicating with her attorney for advice. the judge reviewed the text chain and is giving the text chain to prosecutors, with no objection from the defence. the prosecution has left the court room with the pages to review. trial is a bit delayed while this is going on. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/132 "2024-02-02T15:25:06Z")
Watching on CNN. Ms. Crumbley is on the stand right now, facing cross-examination. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/133 "2024-02-02T18:19:56Z")
on to closing arguments now. i was a bit underwhelmed by the prosecutions cross exam. it looks on course to go to jury today. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/134 "2024-02-06T14:40:18Z")
day 2 of deliberations, so far the jury has asked 2 questions. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/135 "2024-02-06T18:30:06Z")
the jury has come to a verdict, it will be announced soon. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/136 "2024-02-06T18:40:06Z")
She’s off to a really bad start. Looking like guilty on every count. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/137 "2024-02-06T18:40:23Z")
verdict is: guilty. that is about 15 years per count. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/138 "2024-02-06T18:43:32Z")
Just watching proceedings now … guilty on all counts. Jury was polled, all in agreement on a guilty verdict. I think I heard that sentencing will be determined in April. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/139 "2024-02-06T18:49:05Z")
it sounds like it really boiled down to them not getting help for him, and not checking the backpack. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294/140 "2024-02-06T18:52:19Z")
Analysis from CNN talking heads … This kid was begging for help. Mom was too busy with her horses, and Dad told him to take a pill and suck it up. Red flags all over the place, but parents ignored them. This kid was researching bullets, and the parents buy him a gun? Extreme recklessness and negligence on the part of the parents—this is the involuntary manslaughter that was committed. Sentencing April 9. ETA @rocking_chair : Yes, that’s my takeaway from commentary—they made no effort to get help for him. But nobody’s talking about the backpack. Yet, anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oxford-high-school-shooting-in-michigan-1-dec-2021/955294.md?page=8)