Was mom’s “don’t do it” in response to a text from her son?
At any rate it didn’t occur to me that the message meant “don’t kill yourself.” My initial thought that she knew he had been contemplating killing fellow students and was a halfassed attempt to talk him down (or to give the appearance that she was trying to do so).
And now we have this asshole:
Please bring ammo.
I was wondering how long it would be before this happened:
Yep, here it comes. The school’s in trouble. And I think the parents have a case, as discussed in the now-closed GD thread (where it can no longer be discussed). The letter from the school district superintendent seemed to me like a great deal of bureaucratic ass-covering, basically saying that all school officials did absolutely everything right. What else would you expect him to say?
Well, you were a teenager once. Didn’t teenagers back then say crazy things that they were going to do–which never occurred? You have to take a great deal of what teenagers say with a grain of salt.
The key point is that the kid didn’t have a history of violence.
Remember hindsight is 20/20.
Yes, as a teenager, and even later, I did stupid things. None of them even remotely approached threatening to kill someone. As I said in the other thread, the comments on the drawing he made suggested someone who might either be joking or plotting out a video game or might be either suicidal or homicidal. The chances of the latter being true are very small, but the consequences are enormous. The prior incident of searching for ammo on his phone tends to sway the balance more towards “maybe it’s true”. The school seemed oblivious to this evidence. And as I also said there, schools around here take such things very, very seriously, even though we don’t have much of a gun problem here in Canada. Police have been called in for less.
And as for teenagers doing stupid things, this should support the argument that this poor kid, who is most likely more a victim of circumstances than anything else, should not be charged or sentenced as an adult.
Um… are you overlooking the fact that his parents gave him a gun at the time he was saying the crazy things? That seems like a good time to take away a gun, not gift him with one.
The school didn’t know the parents gave him a gun–and the legal liability of the schools is what I was discussing.
What we know about what the school knew could fit on an index card. Most of the new stuff coming out from both sides is contradictory. I’m sure the truth will come out eventually, but right now anything we debate is based on speculation.
The prosecutor’s briefing for the shooter’s parents has been released. Some fucked up updates to this fucked up story.
Apparently the mom was banging some other dude, and raunchy videos were found on her phone. Don’t imagine the parents will be going forward with a joint defense once the dad plants his eyes on his wife working another man’s gonads on the courtroom big screen.
It is worth noting that, by maintaining that there is no conflict in joint representation and by making no distinction between themselves in the present motion, Defendants imply that they are tied to each other - that the only risk of flight is that both will flee or neither one will flee. The facts already discovered show that Defendant mother was having at least one intimate affair. When defense counsel shares the explicit videos found on Defendant mother’s cell phone, it is possible, even likely, that Defendants will go separate ways. Defendants have already made it clear that their son’s presence will not keep them here [in Michigan].
The mom told her co-worker that at this point she was only looking out for #1, as her son is now truly fucked, so fuck him and his need for a defense attorney.
They retained attorneys for themselves but not their son, and the Defendant mother stated in both statements to a coworker and text that her son’s destiny is done and she has to take care of herself.
The shooter was into animal abuse, and the parents allegedly knew about it.
Their son was torturing animals, even leaving a baby birds’ head in a jar on his bedroom floor, which he later took and placed in a school bathroom.
As of mid-October, they were $11,000 behind on house payments, but they still had several horses, which the parents spent several nights a week doting on while their troubled kid sat at home.
As of October 18, 2021, they were over $11,000 behind on their house payments.
Defendants spent their time at the barn caring for their horses (3-4 nights a week for up to 3 hours at a time),
Other things confirmed in the briefing:
Holy…
Interesting that the drawing of the gun in exhibit one is so much more detailed than the drawing of the person.
Exhibit two would actually be funny (as a comically bad attempt to obscure the original details) if it weren’t such a tragic outcome. Like Bart Simpson trying to turn a D into an A (got greedy, didn’t go for the easy B, you know?).
Tough task the schools face. They have to provide all manner of services to emotionally disturbed kids, but should shit happen…
OK, so the injured kids’ families want $100mill of taxpayer money. That’s fine. To improve the schools. Right. Wonder how those folk and their neighbors woulda voted on a $100mill referendum to up school security and psych services?
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Translated into 'Murica speak: solutions to large problems have to create wealth, not destroy or reduce it.
[eg, the solution to the gun problem is more guns, not fewer]
Thus the endless perverse incentives that define American Exceptionalism/Capitalism.
I think it’s possible, depending on what information comes out in the trial, that the school bears some culpability, and therefore the lawsuit might succeed. But I think it’s more likely that they will turn out to have actually done everything that could have been reasonably expected of them, and so the lawsuit will fail.
I’m glad to see this almost unbelievable information about the horrible parents coming out. It’s becoming increasingly unlikely that they will escape serious prison time, and by the same token, it may make it a lot easier on the kid when he faces trial. Unlike any blame that may accrue to the school for failing to prevent this, the parents were a major and direct contributing cause. They could hardly have done more if they deliberately wanted to engineer a school shooting.
Holy Jesus on a Rollerskate, Batman, talk about your Parents Of The Year…
Which makes me think… with that parenting style… weren’t they concerned at all he would turn the gun on them??
Or on the School Board imposing a policy that anything like that drawing means immediate intervention including search of belongings that neither he nor the parents can refuse, and allowing questioning about guns at home by both the school and the counseling professionals (that the parents may say “none of your business”, but at least it would be on record).
But yeah, we all are subject to the trap of wanting Zero Tolerance for those other miscreants, not for our own kids…
I suspect there was a fair amount of oblivion involved. Which does not in any way relieve them of criminal responsibility.
If there is any aspect of “strict liability” on the part of the school, such a lawsuit may succeed in any case.