Oxford Shooter's Parents Charged with Involuntary Manslaughter

Not “Baghdad Green Zone”, just similar to every major airport in the world. Without getting into a huge digression about school funding issues, which is a big discussion in itself, how about getting the money from taxes on guns and ammunition?

Ha ha! To think that could ever happen! :rofl: But in most rational situations, the source of the problem is also the source of funding [at least part of] the solution.

My understanding is that’s per count, but that all the sentences would be served concurrently. So 15 years, tops.

So rather than spend money on more mental health counselors, social workers, guidance counselors and teachers, you think the schools should hire the TSA to thoroughly screen everyone entering the schools?

That’s a ridiculous straw man. It’s not “either, or”. One is an immediate protective measure, the other is a long-term strategy. Both are necessary, as is gun law reform. They are not mutually exclusive.

Good answer. Thank you.

And if the TSA doesn’t like your look or demeanor, they can detain you indefinitely and probe you at their leisure. Of course, there may be benefits in getting the public used to this sort of treatment.

Googling, there are over 100,000 schools in America. Horrific as these incidents are, it’s highly unlikely for any given school to experience one. So I think schools need to think carefully about what to spend money on.

And circling back to the origin of the thread, it would be more in keeping with the school mission to establish better procedures to deal with distressed students and their parents, and to address what happens when the parents themselves are not helping. Which would help deal with many other issues that are not as rare or random or indeed even as deadly, but are a concern all the same.

Looking at it all from a strictly “security culture” perspective may be part of the problem.

What does that look like?

The Supreme Court has already ruled that students in schools still have constitutional protections.

“Zero tolerance” sounds like a school where students have no rights.

I get this is a difficult issue but I am not sure the solution is making schools akin to prisons.

So…make parents civilly and/or criminally responsible for their kid’s actions?

Not sure what you meant but I could go with that. This kid’s parents are being held criminally liable (going to the OP). From what I have read seems they have it coming.

Frankly, when you compare the number of airports doing this to the number of schools you want doing this, you couldn’t afford this if you fired every damn teacher and administrator in the country.

Huh? In 2019, about 3,800 children were shot in the United States. The total number of people shot in schools that year was 40, and that counts adults and shootings that occurred on peripheral school property. Kids spend way more than 1% of their time at school, so I suspect that schools, as they exist now, are just about the safest places kids can go. School shootings are such a tiny part of the American gun violence problem that there’d probably be more of a reduction in shootings of children from lengthening the school year and keeping them off of the streets (and out of gun-owning homes) for more time.

The guy who provided the Crumbleys with their hidey-hole has identified himself.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/05/us/michigan-oxford-school-shooting-workspace/index.html

In your view, how many is too many kids shot before you think something should be done?

In my view your proposal to screen the kids the way we screen at airports is nonsense.

Huh?

Did I say that somewhere? I don’t think I did.

Sorry-that was wolfpup.

3,800 kids is way too many kids shot (and it was even more last year), which is why it’s good that schools are so extremely safe from that problem. Gun violence is a severe problem but school shootings border on a moral panic. Schools have already done a very good job at turning a flood into a drip.

If anything, the discussion should be about rolling back some of the recent “security” innovations in schools, like active shooter rehearsals drills, which seem to have little if any measurable benefit but plenty of measurable harm.

If the parents wind up crowdsourcing their legal bills, I’m honestly unsure who would contribute. The NRA members I know make a huge distinction between “responsible gun owners” (themselves) and the other kind. What does the AM talk radio chatter say about this case?

It is primarily about the fact that this kid had access to a gun.

We cannot possibly expect that we can eliminate the existence of emotionally disturbed teenagers, or expect perfect parenting, or that school authorities will never make mistakes. If not this day, some other day. If not this kid, some other kid.

So long as people have easy access to guns, this will keep happening. It’s not a mental health crisis or a parenting crisis or a school administration crisis. It’s an obvious feature of the interpetation of the 2A that most Americans currently favor, not some mysterious unforeseeable consequence.