# Page 3 girls and child porn **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 27, 2007, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354 "2007-07-27T11:47:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Szlater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Szlater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Szlater)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/1 "2007-07-27T11:47:32Z")
There have been couple of page 3 girls (Samantha Fox is one example) who had their topless pictures published when they were 16 or 17. I’m guessing that they’re not considered child porn in the UK. But what about in the US? Could looking at The Sun newspaper/website (or bringing a copy on a flight to the States) cause you to end up on the sex offender register and be hunted down by Chris Hansen? Please note: I am not, nor have I ever been, a Sun reader. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/2 "2007-07-27T14:24:37Z")
The notion that simple nudity is child porn is completely wrong, no matter how many times you hear of somebody being busted by a publicity-seeking prosecutor. Images must be sexualized to be illegal. Whether the Page 3 girls count that way would technically be a matter for a jury to decide, but realistically it’s not an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Earthworm\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f07891/32.png) [@Earthworm\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthworm_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/3 "2007-07-27T14:59:19Z")
[QUOTE=Exapno Mapcase] Whether the Page 3 girls count that way would technically be a matter for a jury to decide, but realistically it’s not an issue. [/QUOTE] It’s a real issue to the guy facing the jury. Getting to that point is damaging in and of itself, regardless of the verdict. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/4 "2007-07-27T15:02:37Z")
A friend of mine used to bring his UK copy of Max Power ( a car magazine) to work on occasion. It would often show 16-17 year old girls, flashing their breasts and discussing such high brown topics as their favorite sexual position and favorite drink. I was always a little puzzled by that. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/5 "2007-07-27T15:09:21Z")
This is how out-of-the-loop I am: I had to look up the phrase “page 3 girl.” Are there “page 3 boys”? ---
**Author:** ![Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_British_Shop_Owner)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/6 "2007-07-27T15:11:01Z")
[QUOTE=Szlater] Please note: I am not, nor have I ever been, a Sun reader. [/QUOTE] Thank goodness for that. Although the Sun is a lot better than the Mirror ---
**Author:** ![Szlater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Szlater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Szlater)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/7 "2007-07-27T15:19:46Z")
[QUOTE=panache45] This is how out-of-the-loop I am: I had to look up the phrase “page 3 girl.” Are there “page 3 boys”? [/QUOTE] IIRC there were “Page 7 Fellas”, about 12 years ago when my housemate used to buy the occasional copy, not sure about now (although judging by wikipedia’s lack of a page, I’m guessing not). ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/8 "2007-07-27T15:22:08Z")
[QUOTE=Tristan] It would often show 16-17 year old girls, flashing their breasts and discussing such high brown topics as their favorite sexual position. [/QUOTE] Just wanted to pop in and say that is the funniest typo I’ve seen in a while. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![anson2995](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@anson2995](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anson2995)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/9 "2007-07-27T15:23:19Z")
**Exapno** hit the nail on the head. New York’s child porn laws were upheld by the Supreme Court in [New York v. Ferber](http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=458&invol=747). The court described them thusly: > [@](#): > > A New York statute prohibits persons from knowingly promoting a sexual performance by a child under the age of 16 by distributing material which depicts such a performance. The statute defines “sexual performance” as any performance that includes sexual conduct by such a child, and “sexual conduct” is in turn defined as actual or simulated sexual intercourse, deviate sexual intercourse, sexual bestiality, masturbation, sado-masochistic abuse, or lewd exhibition of the genitals. There are many examples of under-16 nudity in American film, most notably the strange career of Brooke Shields. She was just 13 when she appeared nude in Pretty Baby, and she had nude scenes in at least three more films before she turned 16 (Just You and Me Kid, Blue Lagoon, and Endless Love.) I don;t think I’d be straying outside the bounds of GQ to observe that her career since then has largely fizzled. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/10 "2007-07-27T15:29:21Z")
[QUOTE=Tristan] A friend of mine used to bring his UK copy of Max Power ( a car magazine) to work on occasion. It would often show 16-17 year old girls, flashing their breasts and discussing such high brown topics as their favorite sexual position and favorite drink. I was always a little puzzled by that. [/QUOTE] High brown? 😃 I’ve heard of highbrow, but this is a new one and a good one if you intended it. Please say you intended it. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/11 "2007-07-27T15:34:53Z")
[QUOTE=Szlater] Please note: I am not, nor have I ever been, a Sun reader. [/QUOTE] Just get it for the pictures then, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Szlater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Szlater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Szlater)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/12 "2007-07-27T15:37:06Z")
[QUOTE=Alan Smithee] Just get it for the pictures then, eh? [/QUOTE] Nah, I’m a Daily Sport “reader”. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/13 "2007-07-27T15:44:03Z")
[QUOTE=anson2995] There are many examples of under-16 nudity in American film, most notably the strange career of Brooke Shields. She was just 13 when she appeared nude in Pretty Baby, and she had nude scenes in at least three more films before she turned 16 (Just You and Me Kid, Blue Lagoon, and Endless Love.) I don;t think I’d be straying outside the bounds of GQ to observe that her career since then has largely fizzled. [/QUOTE] I believe in every single instance above Brooke had a body double used for her nude scenes. IIRC her mother insisted on that. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/14 "2007-07-27T16:33:50Z")
No, I believe she had body doubles in _Blue Lagoon_ and _Endless Love_ (and probably _Just You and Me Kid_, but I’ve never heard of this one) but she did her own nude scenes in _Pretty Baby_. And Shields was actually younger than thirteen when the movie was made - if I recall correctly she was still eleven. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/15 "2007-07-27T16:37:17Z")
[QUOTE=Small British Shop Owner] Thank goodness for that. Although the Sun is a lot better than the Mirror [/QUOTE] But not as good as The Sport 😃 I’m kidding, really ---
**Author:** ![Fir\_na\_tine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Fir\_na\_tine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fir_na_tine)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/16 "2007-07-27T17:23:37Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] but **she did her own nude scenes** in _Pretty Baby_. And Shields was actually younger than thirteen when the movie was made - if I recall correctly she was still eleven. [/QUOTE] Cite? (Not for the age 😉 for the claim that it was not a body double) ---
**Author:** ![MrFloppy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/43a26b/32.png) [@MrFloppy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrFloppy)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/17 "2007-07-27T17:24:33Z")
As a kid, I delivered newpapers. We got The Times (for Dad) and the Daily Mail (for Mum) so for me, any house that got the Sun, Star or Mirror was a great customer. I would read the whole paper from the sidewalk to the mail slot in the door 🙂 Then I worked on building sites and all three were required reading during tea breaks. Could US tabloids ever have a ‘Page 3 girl’? Civilization would end wouldn’t it lol. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_British_Shop_Owner)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/18 "2007-07-27T17:28:11Z")
[QUOTE=MrFloppy] As a kid, I delivered newpapers. We got The Times (for Dad) and the Daily Mail (for Mum) so for me, any house that got the Sun, Star or Mirror was a great customer. I would read the whole paper from the sidewalk to the mail slot in the door 🙂 [/QUOTE] A _complete_ change of subject here, but I notice that you used “sidewalk”. I’ve noticed that my language changes pretty quickly depending upon the country I’m in, and even depending on whom I’m speaking to, even at the dope. How transformed are you? ---
**Author:** ![Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Small\_British\_Shop\_Owner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_British_Shop_Owner)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/19 "2007-07-27T17:29:18Z")
And about Page 3 in the US, iirc Murdoch tried to introduce it in one of the papers over there, but his wife at the time wouldn’t have it. Now he has a wife younger than his children, the lucky bastard. ---
**Author:** ![MrFloppy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/43a26b/32.png) [@MrFloppy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrFloppy)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354/20 "2007-07-27T17:42:26Z")
[QUOTE=Small British Shop Owner] A _complete_ change of subject here, but I notice that you used “sidewalk”. I’ve noticed that my language changes pretty quickly depending upon the country I’m in, and even depending on whom I’m speaking to, even at the dope. How transformed are you? [/QUOTE] Yes. ‘My bad’ lol. Of course I meant _pavement_. I did think about that as a typed it but thought I would confuse either UK or US dopers. I figured most Brits would know what a sidewalk is but most yanks would not know what a (British) pavement was. 20 years in the US does screws with the old Cockney vocabulary though. I still use rhyming slang and have actually converted a few Marylanders into regularly calling me their ‘old china plate’. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/page-3-girls-and-child-porn/413354.md?page=2)