# Paint A Vulva Picture: or Mansplaining Fail. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 8, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749 "2019-03-08T08:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/181 "2019-03-10T15:16:12Z")
Meh, it’s already a word, though, one in not-that-uncommon use, especially in a sports context. We need a really solid portmanteau. Novguing? Too hard to read/pronounce. Bobsisting? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/182 "2019-03-10T15:26:38Z")
I \*like \*Bobsisting 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/183 "2019-03-10T16:12:38Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I think you mislabeled your points, or the devil is in the paraphrase. Here’s the original [post](https://twitter.com/aisghair/status/1102701038379909120?s=12). Is this “B” or “C”? They are nothing to do with any tweet, I have not referenced any tweet at all. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/184 "2019-03-10T16:25:48Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > My whole previous point was explaining why point B is boorish behavior. It’s boorish to say 'You periods can’t cost that much, I did the math" when you are clearly profoundly ignorant and can’t be bothered to ask. THAT is boorish behavior. You’re supposed to check your facts before you accuse someone of dishonesty: being willing to retract your accusation if they successfully defend themselves is not enough. > > Were a person to say "I don’t understand why periods cost so much: it looks to me like you wouldn’t need more than 2-3 tampons 9 times a year–that’s like $20. What am I missing?‘’ it would be fine. But to confidently assert women are willfully misrepresenting their own experience based on profound ignorance is boorish in and of itself. What part of that do you disagree with? Does anyone else think about Toxic Shock with this calculation. Not only is this calculation ignorant, its DEADLY. Its the antivax equivalent of menstrual management. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/185 "2019-03-10T16:43:48Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > They are nothing to do with any tweet, I have not referenced any tweet at all. You jumped on to defend ths guy who said women only have 9 periods a year. You said “that’s not bad”. This is the guy saying that. This is the behavior you are saying is “B”, not “C”. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/186 "2019-03-10T16:47:53Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > They are nothing to do with any tweet, I have not referenced any tweet at all. This would be a real good time to step away from the computer. It really comes across like you’ve lost track of everything except a need to not be wrong; and that’s not a good situation to be in. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/187 "2019-03-10T16:49:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > “Mansplaing is a stupid, unnecessary term” is functionally the same as saying “there’s no such thing as mansplaining” you dolt. Well…clearly no. Not functionally the same thing at all and I am equally unsurprised that you can’t grasp it. I also said “nagging” was another term that I don’t like. It would be ludicrous to draw the same conclusion from that to say that I think the concept of “nagging” doesn’t exist. I think “mixologist” is a bullshit and unnecessary term but I don’t deny the fact that some people create cocktails. If someone invented the term “penis liberation” for flashing I’d call that a bullshit and unhelpful term and still be able to accept that it happens. > [@](#): > > Are you really so much of a self-absorbed simpleton that you read that sentence and took it to mean I was saying \*you \*personally, had made a thousand statements on mansplaining? Hah! You made a clear accusation that I personally had made “stupid sexist arguments”. Your words. Now when challenged I note that you are unable to produce any evidence for that and instead weave some sort of fiction to pretend you never said it, you did. > [@](#): > > Now, a _non_-idiot would read that as me saying "your argument against mansplaining is only one of many such I’ve heard\* from other people\*, you said…in your own words. > [@](#): > > Like we haven’t heard a thousand variations of your stupid sexist arguments before That’s a direct accusation that I’ve put forward sexist arguments. OK then. Quote them or admit you were wrong. > [@](#): > > “Mansplaining isn’t a real thing”. “It’s OK for men to mensesplain”…you’ve been _nothing but_ a waddling sexist argument, miraculously squeezed into humanoid shape, this whole thread. Wow, So you cannot find any real quotes of mine that are a problem. Those must be too difficult to find or too time consuming for you. Yet you have no problem directly making up quotes and constructing your post to attribute them to me. This may be the pit but surely you aren’t allowed to do that? Just for the record, I never, ever said either of those things. It is barrel-scraping desperation of the lowest kind for you to make them up. > [@](#): > > If an appropriate name fits, I use it. Don’t want to be called sexist? Don’t defend sexists with sexist arguments. Simple. Even for simpletons. It is so easy for you to make the accusation, so easy for you to make up quotes out of nothing and yet apparently impossible for you to quote any actual defence of a sexist by me or any sexist argument that I’ve made. You’ve had ages, you’ve got all my posts to trawl, you have everything to gain by backing up your accusations and yet…zip. You’ve now moved into outright fabrication, somehow forgetting that the whole of this thread stands as a record of what was actually said. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/188 "2019-03-10T16:51:04Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > You jumped on to defend ths guy who said women only have 9 periods a year. You said “that’s not bad”. This is the guy saying that. This is the behavior you are saying is “B”, not “C”. No, I didn’t. I’ve not defended him at all. Quote me where I’ve defended _him_. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/189 "2019-03-10T16:55:05Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This would be a real good time to step away from the computer. It really comes across like you’ve lost track of everything except a need to not be wrong; and that’s not a good situation to be in. It’s a conversation on a message board with some people misunderstanding what has been written and outright lying about what I’ve said. We’re not thrashing out an arms-deal though. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/190 "2019-03-10T17:03:50Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > It’s a conversation on a message board with some people misunderstanding what has been written and outright lying about what I’ve said. > > We’re not thrashing out an arms-deal though. All righty, then. You keep R.Kellying this interview. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/191 "2019-03-10T17:19:02Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > All righty, then. You keep R.Kellying this interview. And again, you have the option of pointing out factually where I’m wrong or slinging mud in the form a comparison to an accused serial sex offender. Was there no other comparison at your disposal? or does the flavour of that one suit your purpose? ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/192 "2019-03-10T17:24:45Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > How dare you, there are plenty of women out there who do have exactly that experience. Are you suggesting they are abnormal in some way? > > I am kidding of course but the core point stands. If someone’s experience of menstruation was with a woman who did have such a cycle then it is hardly surprising that their calculations might reasonably start from that assumption. > That’s not a bad thing, doing the calculation is not a bad thing, being informed of the facts and revising calculations is not a bad thing. > Sticking to erroneous assumptions and refusing to listen \*is \*a bad thing. Here is your original post. It sure looks like you read the tweet and are holding up the guy as an example of “doing the calculations”–that his tweet, where he “did the calculation” was not egregious. That it was “not bad” and that it would only “be bad” if he stuck to his erroneous assumptions and that the initial statement was not a bad thing. If the “it’s not a bad thing to make the calculations” was not a description of the tweet where the guy made the calculations, you sure needed to make that more clear. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/193 "2019-03-10T17:32:34Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > And again, you have the option of pointing out factually where I’m wrong or slinging mud in the form a comparison to an accused serial sex offender. I’m fine doing both. Where you’re wrong has been pointed out to you repeatedly. We’re past that and into the mockery phase of things. Curious what you see as the outcome to this thread. But only mildly. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/194 "2019-03-10T17:32:52Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > They are nothing to do with any tweet, I have not referenced any tweet at all. Everytime you mentioned doing the calculations, or 9 periods per year, you were indirectly referring to the tweet that the guy made, where he did the calculations based on 9 periods per year. That was the source of that entire part of the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/195 "2019-03-10T17:38:07Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m fine doing both. Where you’re wrong has been pointed out to you repeatedly. Quote me the wrong thing I’ve said. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/196 "2019-03-10T17:39:45Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Everytime you mentioned doing the calculations, or 9 periods per year, you were indirectly referring to the tweet that the guy made, where he did the calculations based on 9 periods per year. That was the source of that entire part of the conversation. Tell you what, If want to know whether I’m referencing a tweet why don’t you look for the part of my post where I mention the tweet. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/197 "2019-03-10T17:43:32Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > If the “it’s not a bad thing to make the calculations” was not a description of the tweet where the guy made the calculations, you sure needed to make that more clear. If I am referencing the tweet I’ll be sure to reference the tweet. I didn’t and I wasn’t. So now we are clear on that, do you agree that my original, _general_, statement is accurate and uncontroversial i.e. that. > [@](#): > > If someone’s experience of menstruation was with a woman who did have such a cycle then it is hardly surprising that their calculations might reasonably start from that assumption. > That’s not a bad thing, doing the calculation is not a bad thing, being informed of the facts and revising calculations is not a bad thing. > Sticking to erroneous assumptions and refusing to listen is a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/198 "2019-03-10T17:50:53Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Quote me the wrong thing I’ve said. I love how you think that this trick will still be effective, after all the times people have already tried to show you where you’re wrong. At any point will you give up on this trick, or do you think it’s a magic bullet for winning the argument? ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/199 "2019-03-10T17:57:45Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I love how you think that this trick will still be effective, after all the times people have already tried to show you where you’re wrong. At any point will you give up on this trick, or do you think it’s a magic bullet for winning the argument? A real quote would be the more traditional response. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749/200 "2019-03-10T17:58:38Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > If I am referencing the tweet I’ll be sure to reference the tweet. I didn’t and I wasn’t. > > So now we are clear on that, do you agree that my original, _general_, statement is accurate and uncontroversial i.e. that. Sweetie Pie, it’s not that we don’t understand what you’re saying, you don’t have to keep restating and repeating your blather - it’s just we don’t agree w/ you. I’m sure you think our disagreement indicates our failure to understand your words and intent, but you are wrong. We don’t have to prove to you why you’re wrong, you’re not entitled to an explanation and only an ass would think they were. The same kind of ass that mansplains. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paint-a-vulva-picture-or-mansplaining-fail/830749.md?page=11)