# Palestinian scum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2004, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186 "2004-05-02T21:15:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![kezami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eb8c5e/32.png) [@kezami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kezami)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/301 "2004-05-06T22:18:11Z")
Are we still talking about Arab terrorists who live in the Gaza Strip and who happened to go out of their way to slaughter a pregnant Israeli settler and her four young daughters? The OP was equating their actions with inhuman, barbaric creatures called SCUM. Methinks we’ve strayed a little from the topic. Start a GD thread maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2004, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/302 "2004-05-06T23:37:46Z")
> [@kezami](#): > > Are we still talking about Arab terrorists who live in the Gaza Strip and who happened to go out of their way to slaughter a pregnant Israeli settler and her four young daughters? The OP was equating their actions with inhuman, barbaric creatures called SCUM. Methinks we’ve strayed a little from the topic. Start a GD thread maybe. Uh huh, cause there wasn’t enough of that for the last six pages. Right. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/303 "2004-05-07T00:13:55Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Uh huh, cause there wasn’t enough of that for the last six pages. Right. With all due respect… those were six pages in accord with the OP. This whole thread is about how targeting civilians is wrong… and to my knowledge, although we’ve ranged, that really is the scope. ---
**Author:** ![bizzwire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/958977/32.png) [@bizzwire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bizzwire)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/304 "2004-05-07T01:54:36Z")
**FinnAgain** Well done, buddy!!! Grab yourself a cold one- you’ve earned it. I could never have addressed the myriad half-truths and total bullshit that , oh, some posters have bespattered this thread with anything like your eloquence and tenacity, but I just can’t let **Olentzero** get away with this: > [@](#): > > Fine. Whatever. I just want to see proof that the indigenous Muslim population of the territory known as Palestine, today comprising the territory of the state of Israel, engaged in massacres of the Jewish population of that same territory over the span of centuries, as Shayna attests. 176 Jews killed in two incidents over eight years in the 1920s, by whatever name the indigenous Muslim population called themselves at the time, does not sufficiently back up that claim. To ask for proof of massacres of large numbers of Jews in Palestine over the past two hundred years is proof positive of **Olentzero** ’s tenuous (or selective) grasp of history. You’d be hard pressed to find large numbers of Jews massacred in Palestine, because there \*\* were hardly any Jews there until the end of the 19th century!!!\*\* After the Balfour declaration allowed Jews to **buy** land, and Jewish emmigration rose, that’s when the attacks (and- let’s be truthful- retaliations) begin. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/305 "2004-05-07T03:42:37Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > With all due respect… those were six pages in accord with the OP. > > This whole thread is about how targeting civilians is wrong… and to my knowledge, although we’ve ranged, that really is the scope. Agreed entirely. It’s just the frothing that gets a little old after awhile, is all. If I was talking about _anything_, it was civilian targeted terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/306 "2004-05-07T06:07:08Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I believe **Sevastopol** was implying that, by living in Gaza and campaigning against Israeli withdrawal, Mrs. Hatuel and her four prepubescent daughters desrved to be shot at close range by automatic weapons. > > Scorecard? Open. Hand? Writing. Then you believe wrong. Rather than me repeating myself, again: Try reading the post of _Finn Again_ I was first replying to. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/307 "2004-05-07T06:10:52Z")
> [@gum](#): > > No. > > Terrorism is never a right. > > _Deliberately_ killing a pregnant woman and her three children is atrocious. > > These are acts by Palestinian scum Goody, my secretary and her 17yr old heavyweight triplets are on their way to burgle **Gum** , using extreme force if necessary, or they feel like it, or whatever. Maybe kidnapping and arson too. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/308 "2004-05-07T06:24:50Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I said I would allow, as a logical ‘given’ the premise that each and every Israeli was deliberately involved in this ‘land grabbing’ simply as a tactic to further discussion. > > The fact still remains. > > Even if this pregnant mother and her innocent **children** were, each and every day, helping build houses in the so called ‘occupied’ territories, with their own toddlers’ hands… it would still be the act of SCUM… To pump round after round into her body, to splatter her children’s brains all over, to shred the flesh of a mother and her unborn child… > > NO MATTER WHAT > > that is the act of scum > > you arrest and deport people who are trying to live in your country illegally. You’ don’t ‘summarily execute them’ > > Again, I put this question to you AND DON’T YOU DARE IGNORE IT AGAIN. > > You claim moral ambiguity, but I propose that you are willfully muddying the waters because it is Israel involved: Proof for my claim? > > Would you support the idea that if Israel thought there were Arabs on its land illegally, they could round them all up and shoot them in the head, point blank. If the IDF would find every Arab baby and hack them apart with machetes… > > Unless you’re going to say that’s okay… you’ve got some REAL soul searching to do as to why it’s okay to slaughter Jewish babies but not anybody else. I don’t believe you’re being truthful on what you originally said, check your statement, quote it. Seems to me you are shifting the goalposts. Secondly, “ignoring your question”? Sorry I didn’t notice it earlier, really. Did you actually ask it, anyway… Finally to answer your question, it’s not a legal process, but defense of property we are considering here. If I phrased it that way earlier, well oops. - Evidently the Palestinians have no practical means of arresting or deporting the illegal occupiers (for the purposes of this discussion). - Further their status as illegal and unwelcome occupiers is well known to them over a long period of time. Plenty of opportunities & invitations to leave. - To this fact they respond with further entrenchment, rather than a legitimate response. - Note that the Sharon govt is surreptitiously encouraging this expansion, (Today’s Housing Ministry Scandal) all the time representing otherwise. These facts explain why your analogy with illegal Arab occupiers is poor. It was a confusing link to any sort of proof in any event. In answer to what I believe your question to be though: No, the nationality of the persons involved is irrelevant to my thinking. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/309 "2004-05-07T06:55:44Z")
Originally posted by **sevastopol** > [@](#): > > _Goody, my secretary and her 17yr old heavyweight triplets are on their way to burgle Gum, using extreme force if necessary, or they feel like it, or whatever. Maybe kidnapping and arson too._ Goody is supposed to be an analogue to the pregnant mom? Just asking, because you don’t make sense. Anyway; whenever someone was burgling me, I’d call the police. I wouldn’t _deliberately_ shoot the mom and her kids untill they were good and dead. That would be an act of scum **Olentzero & Maeglin** This is the pit. I’ll froth whenever I damn well feel like it. Go and debate. There’s a folder for that. As I said before, I’m not Jewish, I’m a left-winger, an atheïst and and a peace lover. Years ago I demonstrated on Dam Square in Amsterdam in favour of the Palestine people. They blew it. Literally. There’s no sympathy left. As long as they go on deliberately killing civilians, they are scum. In my and thousands of other, ordinary people’s, eyes. Enough is enough. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/310 "2004-05-07T07:04:55Z")
What police can the Palestinians call? ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/311 "2004-05-07T07:13:16Z")
The UN - like they did yesterday. The media. Anything but brutal murder. People are sick and tired of that. Any Palestinian , who really want peace, will get hurt by Palestinian scum. ---
**Author:** ![Necro\_Romancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Necro\_Romancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Necro_Romancer)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/312 "2004-05-07T07:26:27Z")
> [@sevastopol](#): > > What police can the Palestinians call? Their own? The Palestinian Security Forces didn’t all quit, did they? ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/313 "2004-05-07T11:15:40Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Agreed entirely. It’s just the frothing that gets a little old after awhile, is all. If I was talking about _anything_, it was civilian targeted terrorism. I agree, the frothing gets old but any thread involving Palestine, Israel, or the ME in general inevitably devolves into a shouting match. Besides, what is the use of debate? Any discussion of this situation just goes into whos grandfather was a treacherous swine 50 years ago, a debate that goes nowhere. Even cites are suspect. It seems that most of the cites have an axe to grind somewhere. The “solutions” proposed by most people aren’t really workable without an external and overwhelming force available on-call to **make** them work. Regards Testy ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/314 "2004-05-07T12:30:50Z")
G’mornin’… Sorry I didn’t get back to this thread last night as I’d promised. I ended up hanging out with a couple of good comrades and plenty of good beer here at the house, and you know how time just flies when that happens. As it is, though, we discussed this thread and the various points of discussion within it, and I’ve been referred to a couple other sources of which I was previously unaware. So I’m going to sit down and read them before I continue much further. However, I’ll add these few remarks with the intent of backing them up by this weekend. 1. What separates the Palestinians from the other terrorist groups you mentioned, **Maeglin** , is the level of desperation to which they have been driven by Israel. This wall they’re building, for instance, is further cutting Palestinians off from land they still own and work, as well as vital sources of clean water. This isn’t happening to the Kurds in Turkey or Iraq, for instance. You’ll also note that the period of change in tactics you indicated, 1994-1997, is the period immediately after the Wye and Oslo accords, which clearly showed Israel’s intent to keep Palestinian lands broken up like so many shards of a dropped dish, while maintaining a solid military advantage - i.e. keeping civil and military control over land in the West Bank that would enable them to surround any hot spots of Palestinian resistance completely and easily. Israel means to keep the Palestinians under its heel and is not ashamed to show it. Can you honestly say that, if you were a Palestinian today, such offenses would not drive you to consider performing what would otherwise be a heinous act to you? 2. The massacres of Palestinian Jews in the 1920s were apparently met with demonstrations by thousands of Palestinian Arabs _against_ anti-Semitic terror, clearly stating that they supported the right of Jews to immigrate to Palestine. What happened to change their attitude so much that groups calling for the expulsion of Jews from Palestine now get a hearing? ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/315 "2004-05-07T12:34:59Z")
Oh, and **bizzwire** - **Shayna** , a vociferous pro-Israel poster in this thread, asserted that Palestinians had been massacring Jews for centuries prior to the partition in 1947. I was asking for proof that they had in response to that assertion; you’re providing evidence to the contrary. Maybe you and **Shayna** should hash that question out before questioning my grip on history. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/316 "2004-05-07T14:29:34Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > 1. What separates the Palestinians from the other terrorist groups you mentioned, **Maeglin** , is the level of desperation to which they have been driven by Israel. This wall they’re building, for instance, is further cutting Palestinians off from land they still own and work, as well as vital sources of clean water. This isn’t happening to the Kurds in Turkey or Iraq, for instance. You’ll also note that the period of change in tactics you indicated, 1994-1997, is the period immediately after the Wye and Oslo accords, which clearly showed Israel’s intent to keep Palestinian lands broken up like so many shards of a dropped dish, while maintaining a solid military advantage - i.e. keeping civil and military control over land in the West Bank that would enable them to surround any hot spots of Palestinian resistance completely and easily. Israel means to keep the Palestinians under its heel and is not ashamed to show it. Can you honestly say that, if you were a Palestinian today, such offenses would not drive you to consider performing what would otherwise be a heinous act to you? A “change in tactics” isn’t all that apparent. From [mideastweb.org](http://www.mideastweb.org): “1957 Fateh founded (informally) with the aim of destroying Israel. Formal establishment about 1964… May, 1964 PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) founded with the aim of destroying Israel. The Palestinian National Charter (1968) officially called for liquidation of Israel. Sept 13, 1964 Second Arab Summit at Alexandria decides on diversion of the headwaters of the Jordan as well as strengthening regional Arab armies. Arabs declare the aim of destroying Israel. Israel addressed two notes to the UN Security Council, concerning the alarming nature of the summit resolutions to destroy Israel. Sept. 18. 1965 Third Arab Summit at Casablanca. Conference draws up staged plan for combating Israel, first building up armed forces of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon over 2.5-3 yrs & refraining from war with Israel; then proceeding to war. Feb 18, 1969 PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) attack El Al plane in Zurich; strong international condemnation. Feb 20, 1969 PFLP bomb attacks on a Jerusalem supermarket Feb 24, 1969 Israeli airstrike against 2 al-Fatah camps near Damascus; large no of casualties. Fatah moves to strengthen its position in Jordan; PFLP becomes more explicit in its call for the overthrow of King Hussein, seen as a Western puppet. Sept 6, 1970 PFLP hijack Swissair, BOAC, PanAm and TWA flights and divert them to Jordan. 310 passengers are held hostage and released after governments agree to release Palestinian prisoners. In the wake of the hijackings Lufthansa reportedly paid protection money to guerilla movements, and France purchased immunity for Air France by agreeing to maintain an anti-Israel policy. May 30, 1972 PFLP and Japanese Red Army attack at Lod Airport killed 27. Sept 5, 1972 Black September movement massacres Israeli Olympic team in Munich, triggering a systematic manhunt by Israelis for the assassins. hostage in Qiryat Shmona, Israel, to demand the release of prisoners. IDF storms the building, but terrorists kill 19. Israeli reprisal raids on Southern Lebanon condemned by UN Security Council in SCR347 on April 24. May 15, 1974 Ma’alot Massacre - PLO (PDFLP) gunmen took over a school in the northern Israeli village of Ma’alot, demand release of prisoners, killing 25 and wounding many others. November 1975 UN Resolution 3379 equates Zionism with racism. June-July 1976 Palestinians hijacked an Air-France Air bus to Entebbe in Uganda. IDF commando units landed in Uganda, storm the plane and free most of the hostages.” As the above acts make clear, there is a very long history of terrorist acts by Palestinians against Israel and related targets that long predate the Wye/Oslo accords and the building of the wall by Israel, resentments over West Bank occupation etc. Why pretend otherwise? Note that these are selected timeline excerpts that do not include wars and assorted bad acts by various sides. It is not an attempt to show that Palestinians Bad, Israel Good. Deliberately taking the other tack (Israelis Evil, Palestinians Good) is fanaticism without demonstrable benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/317 "2004-05-07T15:36:12Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > As the above acts make clear, there is a very long history of terrorist acts by Palestinians against Israel and related targets that long predate the Wye/Oslo accords and the building of the wall by Israel, resentments over West Bank occupation etc. Why pretend otherwise? Where in God’s name did I say the Palestinians didn’t engage in terrorism before 1994?! **Maeglin** ’s question was that something had changed in the 90s - instead of targeting primarily military targets, Hamas began targeting exclusively civilians. I’m attempting to explain why the sea change in targets, not tactics. > [@](#): > > It is not an attempt to show that Palestinians Bad, Israel Good. Deliberately taking the other tack (Israelis Evil, Palestinians Good) is fanaticism without demonstrable benefit. I have said I support the Palestinian cause, but have tried to also state explicitly that my support doesn’t automatically translate into uncritical support of the tactics of terrorism some Palestinian groups employ. Maybe that’s not good enough for you; I don’t know and I don’t care. But a moment of simple reflection ought to reveal to you why the charge of fanaticism is baseless. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/318 "2004-05-07T16:01:36Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > I’m attempting to explain why the sea change in targets, not tactics. Civilians were targets before and are targets now. > [@](#): > > I have said I support the Palestinian cause, but have tried to also state explicitly that my support doesn’t automatically translate into uncritical support of the tactics of terrorism some Palestinian groups employ. Maybe that’s not good enough for you; I don’t know and I don’t care. But a moment of simple reflection ought to reveal to you why the charge of fanaticism is baseless. Completely embracing one side in the Middle East and painting the other as entirely responsible for the problem is fanaticism, whether one is blindly pro-Israeli (i.e. **december** ) or blindly pro- Palestinian (you). ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/319 "2004-05-07T16:07:16Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > Oh, and **bizzwire** - **Shayna** , a vociferous pro-Israel poster in this thread, asserted that Palestinians had been massacring Jews for centuries prior to the partition in 1947. I was asking for proof that they had in response to that assertion; you’re providing evidence to the contrary. Maybe you and **Shayna** should hash that question out before questioning my grip on history. _ **I** _ referred the the people of the region as Palestinians in addressing you because that’s how _you_ have been referring to the Arabs native to that area. Going once again by **[your cite](http://user.dtcc.edu/~berlin/palestin/history.htm)**: > [@](#): > > However, the name “Palestine” was officially introduced in the period after **138 C.E.** , three years after the suppression of the Bar Kochba revolt. It was originally used as an adjective, Palaistinei - , derived from the Hebrew word, Pelashet - , or “land of the Pelashtim” (i.e., the Philistines). It was first mentioned by the Greek historian, Herodotus as the “Philistine Syria” - , referring originally only to the southwestern coast south of Phoenecia held by the Philistines, but was gradually extended to cover the entire region. In time, the name was shortened and the adjective Palaistinei became a proper noun. Philo of Alexandria, a contemporary of Jesus, identified Palaistinei with the biblical Canaan. So if anyone prefers to distinguish between modern-day “Palestinians” and “Arabs native to that area, who for centuries have used the word Palestine as one of the names of the region,” knock yourselves out over the quibble. It’s entirely disingenuous for you to claim you didn’t know exactly who the fuck I was talking about when I called Arabs native to that area, who for centuries have used the word Palestine as one of the names of the region, “Palestinians.” My bad for expecting as much from a fucking liar. And **Maeglin** , while I appreciate that “frothing” gets old after a while, I’ll echo what **gum** said and remind you that we’re in the Pit. I fully admit to not being calm about reading propagandist, communist, Anti-semitic LIES being spewed and history being utterly distorted to paint Jews in such a way as to _excuse_ the violence perpetrated against them throughout time. “Land grab” my ass. What gets old to me is being spanked for not reading cites, yet when I do read the cites and then quote from them, I’m told they’re irrelevant. What gets old is providing data and cites, being screamed at to provide said data after it’s been provided, reiterating that it’s right here in this thread already and recapping (with the qualifier that that’s only the tip of the iceberg) and being told that it’s “not enough.” What gets really, really old is facts that don’t support someone’s hate-filled opinion being repeatedly **ignored** – just glossed right over. Worse yet, when they’re utterly distorted so they don’t resemble reality, or taken so out of context that they don’t even resemble the _meaning_ behind the reality anymore. And what really chaps my hide is the ugly, ugly accusation that Jews have committed such horrific offenses that anyone would be driven to performing the heinous acts of modern-day Palestinians. If you had any hope whatsoever that **Olentzero** would seriously consider the facts you presented and make an honest attempt to re-evaluate his position based on the truth, you were sadly mistaken. All he really wanted time to do was go home and fish out more of his propaganda books and give you all the reasons why the Jews are deserving of having a pregnant mother and her 3 pre-pubescent children gunned down in cold blood. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186/320 "2004-05-07T16:20:45Z")
Did you even read what **bizzwire** said, **Shayna**? Allow me to quote him directly: > [@](#): > > You’d be hard pressed to find large numbers of Jews massacred in Palestine, **because there were hardly any Jews there until the end of the 19th century!!!** You say the Palestinians massacred Jews for centuries. **bizzwire** says they weren’t even there in large numbers before the 1800s. Who’s right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palestinian-scum/243186.md?page=17)