# Palin confuses First Amendment protections **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 1, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072 "2012-08-01T16:50:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/21 "2012-08-01T17:26:15Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Palin is certainly being stupid here, but there is more stupid to go around than there outta be. This is the woman who used the term “Lamestream Media” in claiming that Dick Cheney was too influenced by the media as an explanation of why he was criticising her. Dick Cheney, too influenced by the media? Really? That’s why he thought your nomination was a mistake? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/22 "2012-08-01T17:29:02Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > So far they’ve expressed opinions. Do you think their first amendment rights should be limited because they are public officials? No, but their statements can be interpreted as being ignorant of what would or would not be Constitutional or appropriate. And I think if a politican stood up and said he intended to ban black business owners from operating within his city, someone should hit him over the head with the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/23 "2012-08-01T17:35:16Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Trying to zone against a company due to the political actions of its owners is pretty clearly not the same thing though, and wouldn’t survive a court challenge. The Mayor of Boston already admitted he probably can’t actually follow through on his threat (not sure about Emmanuel). I’ll give you the crucified (I personally see it as being a drama queen and it is a dog-whistle type remark within the community that I’m familiar with) But, take the “political actions” aspect out of the question about can a community reject a specific company. How do communities reject a new Walmart that can clearly comply with all zoning regulations? The rejection is ultimately made by the community leadership in response to community members dislike for the company. If business licenses were denied to Chick-Fil-A ANYWHERE in the US over the next couple months because the community said we don’t want them here, can they use this news event to claim the denial was not permitted due to the First Amendment Rights of the owner? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/24 "2012-08-01T17:35:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If Palin had hired me as a consultant she’d be Vice-President now. What a hilarious idea, that she would ever listen to you. But, in all seriousness, aren’t you aware that Palin had informed people giving her good advice all through the 2008 campaign and that she basically blew them off from day one? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/25 "2012-08-01T17:38:29Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > But, in all seriousness, aren’t you aware that Palin had informed people giving her good advice all through the 2008 campaign and that she basically blew them off from day one? Sounds like an awesome gig 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/26 "2012-08-01T17:41:18Z")
The main benefit of that is you don’t have to hear her talk. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/27 "2012-08-01T17:42:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Wait - Palin said _boys_ and _girls_ should be getting married? And presumably consummating these marriages? […] Confused moral outrage is fun. I also thought her word choice there was very, very weird – like WV weird (and I have close relatives from WV and am nearly WV born and raised). ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/28 "2012-08-01T17:48:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No – but the First Amendment is incorporated against the states too. So when Chicago Alderman Proco Joe Moreno and Mayor Rahm Emanuel announce that they will block Chick-Fil-A from getting additional Chicago locations because of their owner’s opposition to same-sex marriage, that does in fact implicate the First Amendment. Yep, you’re right, state and local governments are bound by the constitution as well. I used the word “Congress” to mirror the amendment’s actual wording and sacrificed clarity. I agree that Emanuel and Moreno are walking a fine line here, and that people on both sides of the issue are acting pretty hysterically over all of this. BUT… a) Emanuel and Moreno haven’t actually _done_ anything to keep Chik-Fil-A out of town, and I’m sure they both know they couldn’t really do so. They’re talking a lot of bluster. and b) That clearly wasn’t what Sarah was talking about. She said that private citizens deciding where to buy or not buy a sandwich “has a chilling effect on our 1st Amendment rights.” That’s just a flat-out ludicrous statement. I never know whether Palin truly believes all the shit she spouts or is just saying what she thinks her audience wants to hear. I lean toward the former, but the latter isn’t really better. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/29 "2012-08-01T17:51:53Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > I also thought her word choice there was very, very weird – like WV weird (and I have close relatives from WV and am nearly WV born and raised). Alaska weird trumps West Virginia weird. And **Bricker** , if Palin had hired you as a consultant, you’d have a serious drinking problem by now. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/30 "2012-08-01T17:56:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > . . . when Chicago Alderman Proco Joe Moreno and Mayor Rahm Emanuel announce that they will block Chick-Fil-A from getting additional Chicago locations . . . . Emanuel has explicitly said that he will take no action to prevent Chik-Fil-A from getting any more locations. Moreno might still be out there trying to throw his weight around. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/31 "2012-08-01T18:00:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Wait - Palin said _boys_ and _girls_ should be getting married? And presumably consummating these marriages? Well, Sarah Palin may think it’s alright for underage children to be having sex but I disagree. You are surprised? Bristol Palin was 17 when she headed for the altar, (regardless how close she actually got.) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/32 "2012-08-01T18:26:24Z")
Palin’s a fucking moron, news at 11pm. Is anyone actually surprised by this? She’s said far, far worse. > [@Enkel](#): > > I’m not sure. Many communities control the commerce allowed to operate and what areas they are allowed to operate in. That is common zoning laws. As an example, you can’t open up a porn shop or gas station anywhere you want. Communities have rejected Walmart and similar stores as undesirable. But not necessarily for their political views. I absolutely refuse to eat at CFA (although I never ate there to begin with), but I do think it’s wrong for the government to block their business, on the _basis of their beliefs_. No one’s saying they have to allow them a to open up a site, but there have to be valid reasons to block it. Not liking their stance on something isn’t one of them. IF they’re actually planning on doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/33 "2012-08-01T18:29:47Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > I’m not sure. Many communities control the commerce allowed to operate and what areas they are allowed to operate in. That is common zoning laws. As an example, you can’t open up a porn shop or gas station anywhere you want. Communities have rejected Walmart and similar stores as undesirable. But those rejections are mainly based on concerns such as traffic, noise, school zones, and crime among others, not religious beliefs or political views. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/34 "2012-08-01T18:32:19Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > SECONDLY - suffering the opinions of others is NOT CRUCIFIXION! Crist did not succumb to vapors because the Romans all stood around and talked poorly about him. I am so going to have to steal this and find a conversation to use it in. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/35 "2012-08-01T18:42:42Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > But those rejections are mainly based on concerns such as traffic, noise, school zones, and crime among others, not religious beliefs or political views. Religious beliefs? I’m pretty sure those have been used to support zoning restriction arguments (e.g. to prevent strip clubs operating near churches). ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/36 "2012-08-01T18:55:41Z")
That was most likely the underlying reason, but I would assume (hope) they actually used a legitimate reason such as crime rates or something to get it through the zoning commission. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/37 "2012-08-01T19:04:30Z")
[QUOTE=Sarah Palin] Well, that calling for the boycott is a real – has a chilling effect on our 1st Amendment rights, and the owner of the Chick-fil-A business had merely voiced his personal opinion about supporting traditional definition of marriage, one boy, one girl, falling in love, getting married. And having voiced support for kind of that cornerstone of all civilization and all religions since the beginning of time, he then basically [is] getting crucified." [/quote] More factual error. Marriage between one boy and \*\*\*one girl \*\*\*has not been the cornerstone of all civilization and all religions since the beginning of time. Nobody much cared about ‘falling in love’ for most of history, either, and some cultures still don’t. > [@Knorf](#): > > Religious beliefs? I’m pretty sure those have been used to support zoning restriction arguments (e.g. to prevent strip clubs operating near churches). ‘Religious beliefs’ is double-speaked into ‘community standards’ before they run it up the flagpole. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/38 "2012-08-01T19:35:58Z")
> [@bup](#): > > ‘Religious beliefs’ is double-speaked into ‘community standards’ before they run it up the flagpole. Can we have scantily clad females swinging from said flagpole? ---
**Author:** ![nogravity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@nogravity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nogravity)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/39 "2012-08-01T19:36:41Z")
Palin is an idiot and the only reason her crooked wig is even on Fox anymore is because of her contract. By the way, my all time favorite crucifixion quote came from the Honorable Richard J Daley: > [@](#): > > They have vilified me, they have crucified me, yes, they have even criticized me. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-confuses-first-amendment-protections/630072/40 "2012-08-01T19:37:55Z")
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