# Palin: Dear Media, Leave My Family Alone. Also, Please Buy My Reality Show **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2010, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272 "2010-03-04T13:35:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/41 "2010-03-04T19:58:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > [Sure.](http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/things-that-mak.html) Y’know, **Dio** , he’s ( **Bricker** , that is) given you everything you’ve explicitly asked for. He’s been timely, he’s been concise, he even put this in his first post to the thread: > [@Bricker](#): > > Based on recent events, I think it’s mere chance – Palin would have “hit first” if she had the opportunity to. I’d like to think of you as being a big enough man to concede the point, while understanding that even he ( **Bricker** again) seems to agree that on whatever celestial scoreboard a body might wish to consult, SP’s still not even close to the higher ground. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/42 "2010-03-04T20:00:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > [Sure.](http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/things-that-mak.html) Andrew Sullivan’s blog? That’s the best you can do? Nice slight of hand calling it “The Atlantic.” Sullivan (who is a conservative, by the way), did not allege the the claim was true, he just asked the Palin’McCain campaign to put an end to it by producing some medical records or a doctor or something. He also [updated](http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/she-looks-pregn.html) that same blog a few hours later to report that the claims had been debunked. If the best you can do for proving the media ran with the fake pregnancy story is that a conservative blogger asked her to produce some medical records, then I think you’ve conceded my point. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/43 "2010-03-04T20:05:29Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Y’know, **Dio** , he’s ( **Bricker** , that is) given you everything you’ve explicitly asked for. He’s been timely, he’s been concise, he even put this in his first post to the thread: > I’d like to think of you as being a big enough man to concede the point, while understanding that even he ( **Bricker** again) seems to agree that on whatever celestial scoreboard a body might wish to consult, SP’s still not even close to the higher ground. I do not concede that Palin herself was ever actually “hit” by a media attack on her family. I think she and the conservative media used (possibly even planted) a single internet post on a lefty website to create a phony impression of a media assault that never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/44 "2010-03-04T20:18:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > [Sure.](http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/things-that-mak.html) And if you check out the next article, they posted a followup the very next day, in which they say that they received proof which corroborates her story . Actually, it was _six hours later_. Is this in any way comparable to the demands that Obama prove he’s a US citizen, which persist even to this day? You may say that we’re moving the goalposts… but I think it could be argued that the legitimate questions (seriously, a seven-hour unnecessary flight while in labor!?) about her pregnancy are nowhere near the other attacks we’ve seen on, and from, both sides in the last two years. Calling it an “attack” would seem to be stretching the meaning of the word. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/45 "2010-03-04T20:25:04Z")
Oh, well. So much for what I’d like to think of **Dio** as, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/46 "2010-03-04T20:25:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > One can only wonder why Obama’s family seems oddly able to generate only positive coverage from the media. Clearly it isn’t the case that positive coverage must ipso-facto result in corresponding negative coverage. > > I wonder why that is, hmmm? ya, apart from that whole “Michelle Obama on tape talking about whitey” thing. And the “terrorist fist bump” crap from FOX news thing. Actually part of the reason might be that Obama’s family does not do stupid stuff like get knocked up by highschool dropout hockey players. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/47 "2010-03-04T20:26:18Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Andrew Sullivan’s blog? That’s the best you can do? Nice slight of hand calling it “The Atlantic.” Sullivan is not merely a blogger, and his column was provided as a credible cite by many people on this board when the topic was “documenting Sarah Palin’s lies.” I don’t remember your leaping up at that time objecting to its use. > [@](#): > > Sullivan (who is a conservative, by the way), did not allege the the claim was true, he just asked the Palin’McCain campaign to put an end to it by producing some medical records or a doctor or something. > [@Bricker](#): > > And if the SDMB itself is any bellwether, the claim got some mileage here, with several posters here demanding to know why Palin wouldn’t release her medical records if there was nothing to hide. There’s the bell, and the goalposts are off! Moving down the stretch and approaching the first turn, it’s a tight race! Second [cite](http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/01/politics/horserace/entry4404184.shtml): Reuter’s news service carried the report, as evidenced by this CBS story (Reuters itself took down their story after Palin revealed Bristol was pregnant and thus couldn’t have given birth to Trig.) > [@CBSNews.com](#): > > Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has announced that her 17-year-old daughter is five months pregnant. The announcement is “intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child,” says the Reuters news service, which carried the first report. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/48 "2010-03-04T20:33:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sullivan is not merely a blogger, and his column was provided as a credible cite by many people on this board when the topic was “documenting Sarah Palin’s lies.” I don’t remember your leaping up at that time objecting to its use. Sullivan’s credibility a a cite is neither here nor there. The point is that he is not “the media,” and more importantly he did not advocate for the fake pregnacy calim, but only asked the McCain campaign to put an end to it. You also didn’t acknowledge that Sullivan updated the story to say the claim had been debunked within a few hours. Sorry, but this counts for nothing. > [@](#): > > There’s the bell, and the goalposts are off! Moving down the stretch and approaching the first turn, it’s a tight race! It’s kind of lame to accuse people of moving the goal posts when your kick just came up short, but let’s look at your next attempt. > [@](#): > > Second [cite](http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/01/politics/horserace/entry4404184.shtml): Reuter’s news service carried the report, as evidenced by this CBS story (Reuters itself took down their story after Palin revealed Bristol was pregnant and thus couldn’t have given birth to Trig.) I’m afraid I don’t understand what this is supposed to prove. What was the “first report.” This is really weak beer, Rick. I’m surprised. I thought youd’d find _something_, but I thought it would be better than a conservative blogger asking for medical records, and a Reuters story saying the claim was false. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/49 "2010-03-04T20:54:58Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > ya, apart from that whole “Michelle Obama on tape talking about whitey” thing. And the “terrorist fist bump” crap from FOX news thing. You guys keep bringing up Fox. Fox doesn’t comprise 5% of the nation’s media or represent 5% of the media messages that go out every day…if even that. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Actually part of the reason might be that Obama’s family does not do stupid stuff like get knocked up by highschool dropout hockey players. I can tell you exactly what would happen if one of Obama’s daughters were to get pregnant at some point in the future. The media would flood us with poignant stories of teen pregnancy and what the country must do to try to contend with the problems it presents. Talk shows like Oprah’s would do the same. The women on _The View_ would be full of sympathetic stories about daughters of people of their own acquaintance who tragically became pregnant at an early age and suggest that we start giving out birth control pills and condoms to kids at school starting at around the fifth grade or so. The Obamas’ requests for privacy would largely be observed and the entire issue would be treated with respect and the gravest of concern. But the Palins? HaHaHa! What a bunch of trailer-parkers! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/50 "2010-03-04T20:55:37Z")
Well, for someone who is so sensitive about digs at her family, especially her kids, I can’t imagine a worse idea than putting them in a reality show. I mean, what could possibly go wrong, right? :dubious: At best, she’d be doing a favor for Alaska, by promoting tourism. But I can’t see how she could possibly ensure that only positive images of her family ended up in the viewers’ living rooms. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/51 "2010-03-04T20:57:27Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > And if you check out the next article, they posted a followup the very next day, in which they say that they received proof which corroborates her story . Actually, it was _six hours later_. Yes, the moment she was forced to rebut this rumor by releasing irrefutable proof of its falsity by revealing her daughter’s unwed pregnancy, they conceded the point. > [@](#): > > Is this in any way comparable to the demands that Obama prove he’s a US citizen, which persist even to this day? No, that’s an even more ridiculous attack. > [@](#): > > You may say that we’re moving the goalposts… but I think it could be argued that the legitimate questions (seriously, a seven-hour unnecessary flight while in labor!?) about her pregnancy are nowhere near the other attacks we’ve seen on, and from, both sides in the last two years. Calling it an “attack” would seem to be stretching the meaning of the word. No, it’s an attack. And there are only two reasons it fizzled as quickly as it did: one was that to the surprise of the attackers, Palin could produce quick and irrefutable proof that their difficult-to-refute charge was baseless. The second was that to the delight of the Left, Palin quickly began generating legitimate reasons for them to bash her, obviating the need to make stuff up. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/52 "2010-03-04T20:57:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I can tell you exactly what would happen if one of Obama’s daughters were to get pregnant at some point in the future. The media would flood us with poignant stories of teen pregnancy and what the country must do to try to contend with the problems it presents. I did see stories like that following the Palin girl’s pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/53 "2010-03-04T20:59:35Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m afraid I don’t understand what this is supposed to prove. What was the “first report.” The first report was Reuter’s report that bloggers were accusing Palin of having faked her pregnancy. Reuters ran that report. They are a media outlet. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/54 "2010-03-04T21:01:20Z")
Is she promoting Alaskan tourism by touting the fact that she’s not there any more, or just that she and Todd are no longer the First Dudette and Dude? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/55 "2010-03-04T21:10:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I can tell you exactly what would happen if one of Obama’s daughters were to get pregnant at some point in the future. The media would flood us with poignant stories of teen pregnancy and what the country must do to try to contend with the problems it presents. Talk shows like Oprah’s would do the same. The women on _The View_ would be full of sympathetic stories about daughters of people of their own acquaintance who tragically became pregnant at an early age and suggest that we start giving out birth control pills and condoms to kids at school starting at around the fifth grade or so. The Obamas’ requests for privacy would largely be observed and the entire issue would be treated with respect and the gravest of concern. As usual, utterly worthless and entirely fact-free speculation on your part. In other words, as is typical for you, you imagine a fantasy scenario that exists entirely in your own mind and attempt to present it as factual data. Sorry, no sale. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/56 "2010-03-04T21:11:21Z")
Oh, just shut up about badly treated Sarah Palin is. THIS thread is about how she now wants a reality TV show despite all that. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/57 "2010-03-04T21:13:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So is it the consensus here that if Michelle Obama were to start a talk show or reality show, her family would become deluged with negative coverage? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I can tell you exactly what would happen if one of Obama’s daughters were to get pregnant at some point in the future. Man, this is sad – the reality of the situation is falling against you every step of the way, so hey, let’s play the “what if” game! Bah..beaten to it by **El\_Kabong** … ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/58 "2010-03-04T21:15:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Ooh, ooh, I almost forgot. The Clintons trotted Chelsea out to try to try to help her mother get elected, and the media followed like sheep when the Clintons put her off limits. > > One is left to wonder why that is also. If one didn’t know better, one might suspect it’s because these families are…wait for it…DEMOCRATS! You’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/59 "2010-03-04T21:18:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, that’s an even more ridiculous attack. > > … > > No, it’s an attack. And there are only two reasons it fizzled as quickly as it did: one was that to the surprise of the attackers, Palin could produce quick and irrefutable proof that their difficult-to-refute charge was baseless. Is questioning a story which doesn’t make much sense an “attack”? Are you implying that journalists (and the public, by extension) should just accept everything politicos say as unvarnished truth in order to avoid hurt feelings? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-dear-media-leave-my-family-alone-also-please-buy-my-reality-show/531272/60 "2010-03-04T21:32:28Z")
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