# Palin defenders, are you fucking stupid? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2008, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360 "2008-09-12T23:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/241 "2008-09-15T17:58:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Who said anything about the “inner cities”? > > … > I will now leave you and **Svin** to mangle and distort. This is just to note what a disingenuous little turd you are–I only hope you actually will leave the SDMB forever, which will be far richer for your leaving it. If someone draws a perfectly reasonable conclusion from your vile, stupid, malicious posting, you make a huge deal out of their perfectly reasonable (and essentially irrelevant) point, exactly as if you were actually pointing out something useful or germane to the discussion. It’s inessential because, wherever drug abuse or gang warfare is going on in the US, it’s still the same point being made–the location of drug abuse and gang warfare is the smallest part of its relevance to this discussion–and your point is itself laughable, since you and I and everyone in the US understands correctly that both problems are very largely inner city problems, even if you show us a photograph of a crip shooting up in a Nebraska cornfield, you imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/242 "2008-09-15T18:21:05Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > This is just to note what a disingenuous little turd you are–I only hope you actually will leave the SDMB forever, which will be far richer for your leaving it. Who said anything about my leaving? Just because I get fed up with stupid lies about conservatives and assertions that we’re evil, it doesn’t mean I’m going anywhere. This is a great board once you separate the wheat from the chaff. > [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > If someone draws a perfectly reasonable conclusion from your vile, stupid, malicious posting, you make a huge deal out of their perfectly reasonable (and essentially irrelevant) point… A huge deal? I hardly think so. It was however the one point in her post where people who didn’t already know better might have been fooled. And how about you travel around to small and medium sized towns and cities around this country and do a little investigating, talk to some crime reporters and policemen, and come back here and tell me it’s largely an inner-city problem. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/243 "2008-09-15T18:25:45Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > …as well as have fairly confrontational exchanges between the Prime Minister and other political leaders. Perhaps **bluecanary** , with his rapturous description or the purity of the British political process, is blind to the fact that we Colonials have seen what goes on during Question Time. I’m used to blowhards, grandstanding, and rude noises directed at political figures, but I was embarassed for the Brits the first time I watched. Makes Congress look like a collection of Solons. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/244 "2008-09-15T18:30:28Z")
I’m wondering what I’ve lied about, personally. I will immediately withdraw any lies or misrepresentations I’ve made here. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/245 "2008-09-15T18:32:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Who said anything about my leaving? That would be you, numbnuts. As I quoted you above > [@](#): > > I will now leave you and Svin … Now I realize that I’ve wrenched those words out of context, that they actually mean the opposite of what they usually mean, that I’m deliberately misinterpreting you, that I’m a nasty liberal liar and wah wah wah all the way home, so don’t waste your time giving me your usual bullshit response. I can write it in my sleep. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And how about you travel around to small and medium sized towns and cities around this country and do a little investigating, talk to some crime reporters and policemen, and come back here and tell me it’s largely an inner-city problem. Better yet, how about you stick your head up your rectum and report back if you find any sign of intelligent life there? If you like, open a GQ topic entitled “Are Drugs and Gangs largely an inner city problem?” and see what kind of answers a schmucky waste of time question like that gets, nitwit. ---
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/246 "2008-09-15T18:33:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **dropzone** > > Perhaps bluecanary, with his rapturous description or the purity of the British political process, is blind to the fact that we Colonials have seen what goes on during Question Time. Two different things (I’m well aware of Question Time, and I think it’s great). I’m referring to the polarisation of the political debate in society at large, not in the Houses of Parliament/Congress. ---
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/247 "2008-09-15T18:41:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Mr Svinlesha > > Either way, 'luci owes you an apology. :dubious: I think you got whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Booker\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/71c47a/32.png) [@Happy\_Booker\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Booker_1)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/248 "2008-09-15T19:03:40Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Perhaps **bluecanary** , with his rapturous description or the purity of the British political process, is blind to the fact that we Colonials have seen what goes on during Question Time. I’m used to blowhards, grandstanding, and rude noises directed at political figures, but I was embarassed for the Brits the first time I watched. Makes Congress look like a collection of Solons. In Canada, of course, we have the worst of both worlds. Our politicians give speeches as well as the Brits and debate as well as Americans. Al Purdy (I think – my google-fu is failing) got it right: We could have had American know-how, French culture and British government. We got British know-how, French government and American culture. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/249 "2008-09-15T19:05:32Z")
> [@bluecanary](#): > > :dubious: I think you got whooshed. As birthplace of Thomas Paine, and arguably America herself, Britain’s honor is secure. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/250 "2008-09-15T19:17:52Z")
All I’m saying is, that was over the top. Way too harsh. Lots of good stuff came of GB besides Monty Python, like, for example, the Beatles, the Stones, fish n chips, mint sauce, the Spice Girls, the British Raj, very small pebbles… the list just goes on and on. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/251 "2008-09-15T19:27:10Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > It’s inessential because, wherever drug abuse or gang warfare is going on in the US, it’s still the same point being made–the location of drug abuse and gang warfare is the smallest part of its relevance to this discussion–and your point is itself laughable, since you and I and everyone in the US understands correctly that both problems are very largely inner city problems, even if you show us a photograph of a crip shooting up in a Nebraska cornfield, you imbecile. I think he was worried that liberals were only going to take responsibility for drug abuse in the inner cities, leaving a bewildering vacuum of responsibility for all those meth labs in rural Montana. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/252 "2008-09-15T19:47:51Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I think he was worried that liberals were only going to take responsibility for drug abuse in the inner cities, leaving a bewildering vacuum of responsibility for all those meth labs in rural Montana. Or [Meth Lab Capital of Alaska](http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/030805/sta_20050308002.shtml), **Wasilla**. > [@](#): > > **Troopers dub Mat-Su area the meth capital of Alaska** > > _THE ASSOCIATED PRESS_ > > WASILLA - The Matanuska-Susitna area is the methamphetamine capital of Alaska, according to Alaska State Troopers. > > In 2003, authorities uncovered nine meth labs in the area. Last year, the number increased to 42, said Kyle Young, an investigator with the troopers who works with the Mat-Su narcotics team. > > . . . I guess that’s all us damn tree-hugging, drug-pushing, gang-banging libruls’ fault, too, huh? ---
**Author:** ![muttrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a8b319/32.png) [@muttrox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muttrox)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/253 "2008-09-15T20:17:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Okay, **Rubestress** , then set me straight. > > a. How much more foreign policy experience does Obama have than Palin? > > b. How much more executive experience does Obama have than Palin? > > c. How does Obama appear stronger and more able to deal with Putin than Palin? I think it went wrong with this seemingly great question. It’s a good start. Asking for facts to support a position, that’s what the SDMB is all about. But why these particular three questions? No one ever particularly focused on “executive” experience until Palin was selected. Russia is important of course, but not to the exclusion of other countries. Think of all the possible questions that \*\*could \*\*be asked, just on foreign policy. (I’ve tried to phrase these neutrally and similar to the first three above.) d. How does Obama appear stronger and more able to deal with Kim Jong Il, Osama Bin Laden, Hugo Chavez, Gordon Brown, Quaddafi, etc. than Palin? e. What evidence is there that Obama has a well-developed political philosophy that will lead to a coherent set of policies on the world stage? f. What evidence is there that Obama’s stance on G8, the United Nations, NATO, The World Bank, The World Court or any of the many international organizations is any better than Palins? g. What evidence is there that Obama’s economic policies will improve or degrade the US’s standing in the world? h. Why might we think that Obama as commander in chief might result in greater or lesser military capabilities? i. What evidence is there that Obama would be more or less likely to use military power than Palin? j. What evidence is there that Obama will be better or worse than Palin at using soft power to achieve US aims? k. What evidence is there that Obama will honor existing treaties? l. What evidence is there that Obama will be familiar with the history and motives of other world leaders he most deal with? m. What evidence is there that Obama will understand the ideological components of Congress with regard to foreign policy more or less than Palin? n. What evidence is there that Obama is more willing to learn from mistakes than Palin? o. What evidence is there that Obama will proceed with the Bush administrations Millenium project? and so on and so on. Now reread all of them and switch Palin’s name with Obama’s. The point is, the particular three questions that SA asked are all geared towards the only places that Palin can even conceivably be thought of as having an advanatage. The only question that SA missed was a question about energy oil and drilling. It’s a trick question. SA has gotten to direct the dialogue towards a very particular subset of how evaluate a candidates competence and experience. If you step back and look at all the ways you might evaluate a candidate, you get a different picture. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/254 "2008-09-15T21:03:04Z")
Not bad, **Starv**. Been a long time fan of right wing venom, loathe, these many years, so, not bad. Still, you could definitely take some pointers from real masters of the genre. Newt Gangrene is always considered in the front ranks of the rank and rotten. His crowning moment? Well, some say it was the list of accepted terms for discussing liberals - “pathetic, corrupt” etc. - but I demur, but softly. When that woman drove her kids into the lake to drown, and Newt loudly proclaimed it the obvious result of a liberal administration - ah! Sublime venom, that! To reach with scaly fingers to grasp tragedy and horror, and bend it to his political agenda? Breathtaking! Now, some would suggest Robert Bork as a role model for the ambitious purveyor of toxic verbiage - you’ve read _Slouching to Gomorrah_, I’ve no doubt? - but I think it falls short in comparison to Newt. Succinct economy of poisonous drivel is as important in humorless slander as it is in humor, does one really need hundreds of pages to simply say “dirty fucking hippies ruined America!”? Flattering, to be sure, but wide of the mark. And hundreds of pages of same? Inconsiderate of the target audience, who’s lips will tire. And cliche-ridden, you are plagued with worn out phrases. “Do gooders”, for instance, is a phrase best stored up in the attic with a deranged cousin, the one nobody talks about. The contempt for the well-intended is probably an attitude best kept to oneself, don’t you think, as there are millions of Christians in America and quite a few sincere ones. It is a tired, toothless, and forlorn cliche, have mercy upon the poor thing, leave it die in peace. Don’t force it into harness again, all bony, mangy and poxed. Anyway, seek out new and fresher models for your diatribes. And let them steep a while, and age, gain substance, don’t just fling out the first malignant phrase that come to mind, let it marinate in your venom sac for a few hours. (I would recommend PJ O’Rourke to you, but all he can seem to talk about is how he used to be a hippie and now he’s an alcoholic. He seems to think this shows he’s smart. It escapes me.) ---
**Author:** ![Sinaijon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Sinaijon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaijon)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/255 "2008-09-15T21:04:51Z")
Hi, I’m **sinaijon**. I’m a Palin defender, and I’m fucking stupid. I’m also evil, btw. Why to sane people insist on participating on liberal circle jerk hate threads like this one? You just get liberal spew all over you, and that’s just plain gross. It wouldn’t be so bad, but you just know they are picturing Palin’s face in place of your own, and that just shows a lack of respect. ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/256 "2008-09-15T21:41:03Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > Hi, I’m **sinaijon**. I’m a Palin defender, and I’m fucking stupid. I’m also evil, btw. > > Why to sane people insist on participating on liberal circle jerk hate threads like this one? You just get liberal spew all over you, and that’s just plain gross. It wouldn’t be so bad, but you just know they are picturing Palin’s face in place of your own, and that just shows a lack of respect. Do you dislike Bush? If so, why? Do you not see these qualities in Palin? Are you not bothered by her abuse of power? Her unnecessary secrecy, her cronyism, her massive abuse of earmarks? Or is it because she’s sexy and likes guns? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/257 "2008-09-15T22:10:38Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > Hi, I’m **sinaijon**. I’m a Palin defender, and I’m fucking stupid. I’m also evil, btw. > > Why to sane people insist on participating on liberal circle jerk hate threads like this one? You just get liberal spew all over you, and that’s just plain gross. It wouldn’t be so bad, but you just know they are picturing Palin’s face in place of your own, and that just shows a lack of respect. Here’s one for you Sinaijon. Palin believes that humans and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. I guess I just don’t have the same understanding of science she has, but then we disagree on the economy, the war, and what a barracuda is too. > [@Phil Munger](#): > > I pushed her on the earth’s creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she’d seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them.” > > Munger also asked Palin if she truly believed in the End of Days, the doomsday scenario when the Messiah will return. “She looked in my eyes and said, ‘Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime.’" [http://mudflats.wordpress.com/](http://mudflats.wordpress.com/) Dino fossils with human footprints in them = coexistence. Go Sarah. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/258 "2008-09-15T22:47:26Z")
> [@bluecanary](#): > > I’m not the first to say this, but some of the liberals here need to calm the fuck down. > > If I was in America, and this was my only place of political debate, I’d be inclined to think along the lines of ‘if these assholes support Obama, then supporting Obama can’t be right’! My friend, you are lucky enough to live in a country where a book full of lies about Obama is not on the top of the best seller list. One written by a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, by the way. Me being pissed off at one asshole (and not all Republicans or conservatives, as he’d like you to think) isn’t that surprising. In GD I responded with data disproving these contentions, with no rants. Did he respond? Does he have evidence that Democrats foster either crime or drugs? Hah! ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/259 "2008-09-15T23:07:41Z")
> [@fiztig](#): > > As much as I hate to quote an actor, I think Matt Damon had a point that Palin is a Disney movie in the making. If you get HBO, watch the most recent ep of Bill Maher’s show. He has a mock-up of a Disney-esque movie about Palin called “President Mom,” which follows the basic storyline you came up with. Pretty funny. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/260 "2008-09-16T06:33:22Z")
Just in general interest: [Palin Aides blames Obama backers for politicizing Alaska Investigation](http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/15/palin.investigation/index.html) Yeah, because if it were Obama or Biden, the republicans surely wouldn’t have jumped all over it like starving wolves. Not that I actually think Palin’s aides are speaking truth, but boo fuckin’ hoo. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360.md?page=14)