# Palin defenders, are you fucking stupid? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2008, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360 "2008-09-12T23:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/81 "2008-09-13T12:40:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I remember recall reading somewhere around here just the other day that her name had come up a year-and-a-half ago among the Republican PTB as a potential VP candidate. > > I also remember someone mentioning her some months back and after looking her up online being surprised at how attractive she was. > > If I can remember more of the posts I’ll do a search later to see if I can find them. Oh golly. That is a ton of buzz. Roll my eyes … And by the way … do you ever sleep? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/82 "2008-09-13T12:44:20Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > And by the way … do you ever sleep? Sure, that’s why I said I’d try to look 'em up later. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/83 "2008-09-13T12:44:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I remember recall reading somewhere around here just the other day that her name had come up a year-and-a-half ago among the Republican PTB as a potential VP candidate. > > I also remember someone mentioning her some months back and after looking her up online being surprised at how attractive she was. > > If I can remember more of the posts I’ll do a search later to see if I can find them. And further … I do stand corrected. She was mentioned in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=454638&highlight=Sarah+Palin&page=2)in February of this year, being mentioned as a dark horse for R-Veep. If your search skill are better than mine, have at it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/84 "2008-09-13T12:48:43Z")
Nope, those were the same mentions I was talking about. Good job. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/85 "2008-09-13T13:05:57Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > The man has certain virtues, obviously, but this is what most people (even most Democrats) think when they think about Biden, which isn’t often. And yet Obama rolled out his name like it was terribly exciting and an indication that his campaign was just going gangbusters. > > Can’t see it. I think Obama needs the organization and money of unions to get elected. It wasn’t so much the state Biden was from; it was the unions he represents. They used to call Dole the Senator from ADM. Biden is the same for Big Labor. Obama doesn’t need anyone to get his people excited: McCain did (and certainly got it). McCain doesn’t need anyone to give his ticket experience; Obama - well, maybe. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/86 "2008-09-13T13:10:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I remember recall reading somewhere around here just the other day that her name had come up a year-and-a-half ago among the Republican PTB as a potential VP candidate. > > I also remember someone mentioning her some months back and after looking her up online being surprised at how attractive she was. > > If I can remember more of the posts I’ll do a search later to see if I can find them. Hi, **SA**. 'Twas **Sam Stone** - [his post is my cite.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10155539&postcount=29) Now get some sleep. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/87 "2008-09-13T13:44:06Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I would count his campaign. After all, he put it together from scratch. It grew to have a budget of twenty times the budget of Palin’s mayoralty. It is fiscally sound, not owing more than it has. It is extremely well organized and well run. > > So, if experience means more than just being a bobble head occupying space in an office called “governor”, then Obama’s experience far outshine’s Palin’s. As Palin herself might put it, Obama has experience in actually leading people. And now that he’s experiencing the first signs of trouble, we see panic, disorganization, and kneejerk responses. Great. Just what I want in a president. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/88 "2008-09-13T13:55:23Z")
> [@Sam Stone (bolding mine)](#): > > You guys look at a woman who gets tripped up on a question and decide she’s an airhead. I think, there’s a woman who comes out of Alaska and gets **a whole two weeks** to completely absorb McCain’s campaign policy, But that’s the point, isn’t it? She shouldn’t have _needed_ to spend the last two weeks force feeding herself basic information on Bush’s foreign policy. She should have spent the last _eight years_ keeping track of it herself. I read an article somewhere which made this point clear with an apt comparison. You can tune into any sports phone-in radio show in the country and listen to people talking in explicit detail about, say, the resurrection of Lance Armstrong or Brett Favre’s time with the Packers, or whatever. More often than not, the participants will demonstrate their familiarity with the latest arguments for or against their position and be armed with the appropriate factual rebuttals, and the amount of detail they can go into proves they are fully conversant with the issue under discussion. The reason they are able to do this is because they are naturally interested in their subject and make the time to keep abreast with it. Sarah Palin’s answer to the Bush Doctrine question made it clear that she is _just not interested enough_ in Bush’s foreign policy to bother herself with retaining the most basic facts about it. That’s fine for most people, but not for Vice Presidential candidates. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/89 "2008-09-13T14:35:46Z")
> [@George\_Kaplin](#): > > Sarah Palin’s answer to the Bush Doctrine question made it clear that she is _just not interested enough_ in Bush’s foreign policy to bother herself with retaining the most basic facts about it. That’s fine for most people, but not for Vice Presidential candidates. It’s especially true when you consider that her ignorance on key matters is only part of the picture. Here’s someone who is already a demonstrated liar, who appears to have been engaged in the corrupt use of government to carry out a personal grudge, and whose judgment is certainly questionable. The reaction here demonstrates that Republicans will line up for anything with the team logo on it. Retards and purportedly thoughtful ones alike - they lack a shred of integrity. **Sam Stone** proves again that he would hasten to defend absolutely anyone as long as they are on the Republican ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/90 "2008-09-13T15:01:48Z")
> [@KSO](#): > > And now that he’s experiencing the first signs of trouble, we see panic, disorganization, and kneejerk responses. No, actually we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_First_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/91 "2008-09-13T15:07:31Z")
What strikes me is how similar the current Republicans in power resemble the old style communists in Russia. It’s ideology over competencel, all the time. The only thing that matters to them is Palin’s ideology and the fact that she’s a conservative Christian who holds the “correct opinions” on homosexuality, abortion, and the role of government in aiding big business and not individuals. It’s the same mind set that put 20 year olds in charge of Iraq’s financial system at the beginning of the American occupation. As long as they are true Bushies … nothing else matters. Like Communism, the Conservative doctrine is beginning to be crushed by its own weight. Like communism, when things don’t go well, everything but the failure of the philosophy is blamed. Like communism, everyone else sees its failures except for the true believers. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/92 "2008-09-13T15:16:44Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > I’ve predicted every election correctly since 1980 but I can’t as of yet predict this one. And yes, I have voted on the losing side more than once. Palin could have done better in the Gibson interview no doubt. Until I see more evidence that she can’t think on her feet I’ll give her a pass on that. It was her first interview on national tv. > > Hurricane Ike could be a huge factor as well. Gas prices jumped 30 cents overnight here. If the hurricane knocks out a large amount of refineries and oil rigs that causes fuel to spike above 4.50 a gallon then the drill baby drill mantra from Palin will only become stronger. And the Obama side saying that we need solar and wind power! will become increasingly weak. We need to “drill baby drill” even if refineries and rigs aren’t damaged by Ike, for the short term. We also need to continue to pursue wind, solar and any other potentially viable form of renewable energy for the long term. ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/93 "2008-09-13T15:19:33Z")
> [@Merkwurdigliebe](#): > > Palin defenders, are you fucking stupid? Yes. Happy now? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/94 "2008-09-13T15:23:24Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > I was a wolf docent. Wolves were returned to the endangered list in the Northern Rockies in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho just last July. There is a lot of disagreement – even among environmentalists – about how much culling to do to maintain a balance. I understand that there is a time and place for culling. But those decisions are not something that should be made flippantly. Sarah Palin has come across so far as being very casual about hunting wolves. If anyone knows how the decision to hunt them from helicopters was made, I would appreciate a link. If I am mistaken, I would like to know it. Here’s an article from the Anchorage Daily News about it: [http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/story/8696558p-8595849c.html](http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/story/8696558p-8595849c.html) In short, the Alaska Department of Wildlife, Fish, and Game, sets an annual quota for wolves to be killed, in order to prevent them from destroying the moose and caribou herds. They need this done because the wolves compete with human hunters of moose and caribou. The wolves are usually shot from planes by volunteer hunters. The goal for the winter of 2007 was 382 wolves, but by the beginning of March, due to a combination of bad weather and high gas prices, only 38 had been killed. So, Wildlife, Fish, and Game came up with the idea, “Why don’t we use state helicopters?” The feeling was, even though it would be expensive and might cause political problems, helicopters could find packs easier than planes, would result in cleaner kills, and would destroy entire packs, instead of isolated wolves from packs. (Because wolves are pack animals, and rely on that to hunt, if you kill off members of a pack, it will be more difficult for the remaining pack members to survive). ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/95 "2008-09-13T15:35:28Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > … only 38 had been killed. So, Wildlife, Fish, and Game came up with the idea, “Why don’t we use state helicopters?” The feeling was, even though it would be expensive and might cause political problems, helicopters could find packs easier than planes, would result in cleaner kills, and would destroy entire packs, instead of isolated wolves from packs. What? They never heard of napalm? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/96 "2008-09-13T15:35:46Z")
What kind of psychopath gets her jollies by shooting defenseless animals from a helicopter? That is diseased. ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/97 "2008-09-13T15:35:47Z")
> [@George\_Kaplin](#): > > But that’s the point, isn’t it? She shouldn’t have _needed_ to spend the last two weeks force feeding herself basic information on Bush’s foreign policy. She should have spent the last _eight years_ keeping track of it herself. I read an article somewhere which made this point clear with an apt comparison. You can tune into any sports phone-in radio show in the country and listen to people talking in explicit detail about, say, the resurrection of Lance Armstrong or Brett Favre’s time with the Packers, or whatever. More often than not, the participants will demonstrate their familiarity with the latest arguments for or against their position and be armed with the appropriate factual rebuttals, and the amount of detail they can go into proves they are fully conversant with the issue under discussion. The reason they are able to do this is because they are naturally interested in their subject and make the time to keep abreast with it. > > Sarah Palin’s answer to the Bush Doctrine question made it clear that she is _just not interested enough_ in Bush’s foreign policy to bother herself with retaining the most basic facts about it. That’s fine for most people, but not for Vice Presidential candidates. Yes, this is exactly the problem. When I saw her answering the foreign policy questions, it soon became clear that _I_ know more about foreign policy than she does, and I am not at all qualified to be VP. Seriously, WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/98 "2008-09-13T15:40:25Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > When the English left Iraq years ago it split into 3 divisions, If true freedom is not in the Iraqi constitution the Sunnies will run the country and the Shias and Kurds will be under their thumb. If we leave next week or 5 years from now the Sunnies will be the majority and will use the word Democracy as an excuse to over run the other Iraqui’s who do not follow their religious beliefs.Iran could back the Sunnies because Iran has a majority of Sunnies. Iraq has more Shiites than Sunnis. The Sunnis were the ones in control _before_ the invasion. Iran is ruled by Shiites. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/99 "2008-09-13T15:53:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Facts are meaningless in this type of discussion. > > Seriously. > > What facts could anyone present to convince you to vote for McCain? Or to convince me to vote for Obama? While there probably aren’t new facts you could offer me that could make me vote for McCain/Palin, as I think I know enough facts about both of them to prevent that, there are facts that could have made me decide not to vote for Obama. However, I have done some research and decided that I support him, barring the revelation of new facts. If he had chosen a running mate on the level of Palin, that might have made me rethink the ticket, and his judgment, a quality I have thus far admired in him. But you? You are incapable of rethinking, because you haven’t done the initially THINKING part. You had no idea Obama had foreign policy experience. You were just saying he didn’t because you heard someone else say he didn’t. And you were wrong. But does it matter? Nope. Wow. Totally uninformed, willfully ignorant, and stubborn about it too. Not admirable qualities. Then why did you ask me to give you facts? What are we actually discussing here? I now realize that, when you asked me for cites about Obama’s foreign policy experience, and evidence that he had executive experience and could deal with Putin, all you were doing was trolling me, trying to get me to dance for you. Because it doesn’t matter, and you’ve admitted openly that you are unswayed by facts and evidence. So fuck you, SA. You are not worth talking to, so I’m going to stop doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360/100 "2008-09-13T15:53:56Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > The (R) is all that matters to a whole lot of people. > > -Joe [And the fun pouch.](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/51153/8546/790/579919) Don’t forget that. Stranger [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-defenders-are-you-fucking-stupid/463360.md?page=6)