# Palin says Obama would kill her baby **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703 "2009-08-07T23:45:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/281 "2009-08-14T04:43:50Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Where the fuck is she getting this “unproductive” bullshit? She even put that word in quotes as though she was quoting something. What the fuck does she imagine she’s quoting? I’d say that was her briefly pulling the communism boogey man finger puppet from her bag of dirty tricks. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/282 "2009-08-14T05:33:06Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Looks like she was talking about rationing to me: > > Also, I am abundantly aware that the current system also involves rationing. But the rationing works through the market, which is a much better system of rationing than fiat. Market-based health care rationing is better? That means if you are seriously ill, you live if you have the personal wealth to afford the treatment. Otherwise you die. This is, admittedly the way the world has worked for a long time, but have you heard of the word progress? Of course you have. Progress, to you, is the enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/283 "2009-08-14T09:35:02Z")
> [@Digital\_Stimulus](#): > > If dropping the provision will shut the “deathers” up, then it’s totally worth it. Why in the world do you think it will shut them up? Dropping it was a stupid concession to the lunatics. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/284 "2009-08-14T10:47:57Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I do! > > “…death, death, death, death, death, death, death, death, death, death, …” > > You can see how quick it can go! …death, death, death, death, death, death, GOOSE! The problem **Rand Rover** appears to be having is attempting parse Sarah Palin’s statements as if they are coherent and consistent, neither of which have been characteristics of many of her recent statements (particularly the public speeches). I’m actually starting to worry about that woman. ---
**Author:** ![born\_too\_late](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba9def/32.png) [@born\_too\_late](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/born_too_late)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/285 "2009-08-14T12:16:43Z")
[Idiocracy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy). I always knew it would come true. Except there’s nothing even remotely funny about this one. When the leaders of the free world are removing perfectly legitimate and honestly helpful legislation from consideration only because of a few of the most moronic, xenophobic, power-hungry extremists in the country, democracy is dead. President Mountain Dew in 2012! Wooo! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/286 "2009-08-14T14:34:06Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Market-based health care rationing is better? Of course he thinks so. To people of a certain ilk, getting a market-based boot to the head is better than a spa treatment by the government. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/287 "2009-08-14T14:42:59Z")
At least they haven’t caved on the “Kill Sarah Palin’s Baby” clause. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/288 "2009-08-14T14:50:28Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’m just reading words on the internet. She didn’t mention any part of any bill. She did mention rationing. Therefore, I surmised that she is talking about rationing. Guess I’m crazy though cuz Dio disagrees with me. Luckily for you she clarified exactly what she was talking about on her facebook page later on. [QUOTE=Palin] “Yesterday President Obama responded to my statement that Democratic health care proposals would lead to rationed care; that the sick, the elderly, and the disabled would suffer the most under such rationing; and that under such a system these ‘unproductive’ members of society could face the prospect of government bureaucrats determining whether they deserve health care,” Palin wrote in a note on her Facebook page. “The provision that President Obama refers to is **Section 1233 of HR 3200, entitled ‘Advance Care Planning Consultation.’** With all due respect, it’s misleading for the president to describe this section as an entirely voluntary provision that simply increases the information offered to Medicare recipients,” she continued. “Section 1233 authorizes advanced care planning consultations for senior citizens on Medicare every five years, and more often ‘if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual … or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility… or a hospice program.’" [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/289 "2009-08-14T15:18:28Z")
Ah, OK, thanks Fuzzy. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/290 "2009-08-14T15:49:56Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Why in the world do you think it will shut them up? Dropping it was a stupid concession to the lunatics. I don’t think it’ll shut that general class of people up. It will, however, remove the most prevalent meme being shouted and mindlessly parroted. It’s now become a major point of contention, as stupid as that is. More importantly, I don’t see it as a vital issue in health reform. As I said above, it’s tragic that a good part of the bill would be dropped…but if it would help move things along, it’s worth sacrificing. “Art of the possible” and all that… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/291 "2009-08-14T15:57:34Z")
The, too, the end-of-life counseling reimbursement can always be added to the system in a later legislative session, so it’s not as if it had been killed forever. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/292 "2009-08-14T15:58:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Ah, OK, thanks Fuzzy. So, will you now apologize to all the people you derided about this? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/293 "2009-08-14T16:02:58Z")
Who did I deride about that? They said palin was talking about that provision and I said I saw only evidence that she was talking about rationing. Fuzzy provided evidence that she was talking about that provision and I thanked him. Look, I know I’m the boogeyman around here, but not everything I say is deriding someone (a fair amount, yes). ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/294 "2009-08-14T16:21:36Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Who did I deride about that? > [@Rand Rover](#): > > Guess I’m crazy though cuz Dio disagrees with me. See, when someone implies that a person is passing judgment on them for partisan reasons, when that person’s actually simply basing their assertion on easily-researched evidence, it tends to be good form to admit that you were wrong about that assumption (as well as, you know, not knowing the facts in the first place). ---
**Author:** ![born\_too\_late](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba9def/32.png) [@born\_too\_late](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/born_too_late)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/295 "2009-08-14T16:25:10Z")
> [@Digital\_Stimulus](#): > > I don’t think it’ll shut that general class of people up. It will, however, remove the most prevalent meme being shouted and mindlessly parroted. It’s now become a major point of contention, as stupid as that is. > > More importantly, I don’t see it as a vital issue in health reform. As I said above, it’s tragic that a good part of the bill would be dropped…but if it would help move things along, it’s worth sacrificing. “Art of the possible” and all that… Yeah, 'cause there’s no way they’ll think it’s a strategic victory and move on to something even more dishonest and intellectually bankrupt to try and sabotage the whole thing… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/296 "2009-08-14T16:31:36Z")
Let’s just hope they don’t find the Soylent Green Provision. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/297 "2009-08-14T16:34:12Z")
Oh, nice going, **Dio**! Why do you think its a secret decoder ring? ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/298 "2009-08-14T16:38:57Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > The, too, the end-of-life counseling reimbursement can always be added to the system in a later legislative session, so it’s not as if it had been killed forever. Yes – it’s so obviously a good thing. Shit – let the Republicans co-sponsor it later on, as they did initially. > [@born\_too\_late](#): > > Yeah, 'cause there’s no way they’ll think it’s a strategic victory and move on to something even more dishonest and intellectually bankrupt to try and sabotage the whole thing… Yes, this is a consideration. Again, it’s tragic to drop it. It pisses me off that this idiocy has been accepted as truth, and even more that it’s vaunted politically. However, I don’t think it’s even _possible_ to move on to something “more dishonest and intellectually bankrupt”: you can’t get worse than just making shit up, which is what “death panels” are. And, clearly, the matter of “try and sabotage the whole thing” isn’t really in question. It’s not a matter of trying or not, it’s just a matter of how to do so. ---
**Author:** ![horsetech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dec6dc/32.png) [@horsetech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/horsetech)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/299 "2009-08-15T09:09:17Z")
You can have the bacon, egg and death, the death, bacon, egg, death and death, or the death, bacon, death, egg, death, death, and death . . . DEATH! DEATH! DEATH! DEATH! Originally posted by **Fuzzy Dunlop** : > [@](#): > > I’m surprised she hasn`t mentioned how our maimed and disabled troops, no longer productive members of society, would be the first to be sent to the Obamachambers. That restraint alone makes is clear she’s not writing her own facebook posts. Won’t somebody think of the troops? I guess not, they’re all too busy thinking of the children. Another question for the undecided voter: if someone is _cough_ sentenced to live but dies anyway, what happens then? Do they kill another Unproductive (the newest caste, foreshadowing Gattaca) to even the score, or does an Unproductive move up the line and get to live? ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/300 "2009-08-15T09:38:37Z")
> [@Digital\_Stimulus](#): > > I don’t think it’ll shut that general class of people up. It will, however, remove the most prevalent meme being shouted and mindlessly parroted. It’s now become a major point of contention, as stupid as that is. > > More importantly, I don’t see it as a vital issue in health reform. As I said above, it’s tragic that a good part of the bill would be dropped…but if it would help move things along, it’s worth sacrificing. “Art of the possible” and all that… But it won’t help move things along. They’ll just gin up something else. > [@born\_too\_late](#): > > Yeah, 'cause there’s no way they’ll think it’s a strategic victory and move on to something even more dishonest and intellectually bankrupt to try and sabotage the whole thing… Right. It’s not about removing things they don’t like. It’s about derailing the whole process. > [@Digital\_Stimulus](#): > > Yes, this is a consideration. Again, it’s tragic to drop it. It pisses me off that this idiocy has been accepted as truth, and even more that it’s vaunted politically. However, I don’t think it’s even _possible_ to move on to something “more dishonest and intellectually bankrupt”: you can’t get worse than just making shit up, which is what “death panels” are. Wanna bet? They’ll find something else that they can use to drive the fear they’ve instilled in the conservative base.. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703.md?page=16)