# Palin says Obama would kill her baby **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703 "2009-08-07T23:45:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/61 "2009-08-08T04:52:41Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Stupid fuck is stupid. So, you think that Palin is talking about “death panels” but doesn’t actually think that anyone would die because of it? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/62 "2009-08-08T04:53:37Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Stupid fuck is stupid. I agree that “death squads” is not the right term. “Death squad” implies armed men putting little Trig up against a wall and shooting him. A death panel who decides that he is unworthy of health care would be killing him just the same, though it would take longer and cause more suffering. Palin is saying that she thinks that Obama’s health care plan would deny her child health care and allow him to die from that neglect. It’s not the same as “death squads,” but the outcome would be, if anything, more inhumane. So, cricetus, care to stop using the term “death squads” and use Palin’s term “death panel”? It’s more accurate and is just as serious an accusation she’s leveling. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/63 "2009-08-08T04:54:18Z")
jsgoddess, you are better than this. I will give you a pass this time. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/64 "2009-08-08T05:00:01Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > jsgoddess, you are better than this. I will give you a pass this time. No, I’m not. Answer the question. She used the term “death panel.” You seem to be saying that cricetus is exaggerating when he says that Palin is saying there would be death involved with the judgment of “whether they are worthy of health care.” She used death panels. What is your read on how she meant that if no death is involved? Who is dying? Why are they dying? Where is the death? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/65 "2009-08-08T05:03:17Z")
Rand Rover’s criticisms are just thread shitting. Nobody can seriously refute that my reading is exactly the one Palin intended. You don’t casually throw the specter of babies in front of death panels because you want to have a thoughtful discussion about the finer details of a piece of policy. And even if we just move past this obnoxious harping about the wording of the OP, there are three indefensible and obvious lies Palin has told: 1. That any baby (or indeed, any human being) will be judged on their “usefulness.” 2. That any baby (or indeed, any human being) will be completely denied health care. 3. That there is anything remotely resembling an entity that could reasonably be nicknamed a “death panel.” All lies. Not political opinions, but lies. That’s what this thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/66 "2009-08-08T05:05:44Z")
And I stand by my title. While it’s not an exact representation of Palin’s text, it is the image she created, and what she wanted us to see. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/67 "2009-08-08T05:06:38Z")
I do think your reading is the one Palin intended, but I’m willing to be schooled in the various ways others can honestly read her words. Not standing-on-their-head readings, but honest ones. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/68 "2009-08-08T05:52:26Z")
Rand Rover, you demonstrate continually that you are a moron. It stopped being funny months ago. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/69 "2009-08-08T05:55:41Z")
Interesting. So Sarah Palin is saying that if the Government won’t give her baby free health care, she’ll let him die rather than buy him some herself. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/70 "2009-08-08T06:02:51Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Interesting. So Sarah Palin is saying that if the Government won’t give her baby free health care, she’ll let him die rather than buy him some herself. She won’t be able to, since the bloated, inefficient gummint (which can’t deliver the mail / cure the common cold / fix the potholes) will have driven all the super-efficient and oh-so-benevolent private health insurers out of business. Leaving her baby and your gramma at the mercy of the death [DEL]cookies[/DEL] panels. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/71 "2009-08-08T06:19:20Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > She won’t be able to, since the bloated, inefficient gummint (which can’t deliver the mail / cure the common cold / fix the potholes) will have driven all the super-efficient and oh-so-benevolent private health insurers out of business. Leaving her baby and your gramma at the mercy of the death [DEL]cookies[/DEL] panels. That happened to me last week. True story! ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/72 "2009-08-08T07:31:52Z")
I wonder what it would take to get on the death panel. I bet the uniforms are badass! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/73 "2009-08-08T10:41:30Z")
**RR** ’s right. Please have the Mods change the thread title to something more accurate, like “Rand Rover: Flaming Asshole”. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/74 "2009-08-08T10:47:09Z")
Rand Rover = Thread Shitter Thread Rover = Rand Shitter Shit Threader = Rove Rander Rove Threader = Shit Rander etc. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/75 "2009-08-08T12:14:02Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > She won’t be able to, since the bloated, inefficient gummint (which can’t deliver the mail / cure the common cold / fix the potholes) will have driven all the super-efficient and oh-so-benevolent private health insurers out of business. Leaving her baby and your gramma at the mercy of the death [DEL]cookies[/DEL] panels. Er… if you _have_ to pay for the bloated, inefficient gummint, it doesn’t matter how efficient the private health insurers (or bypassing the insurance altogether and paying out of your own pocket) are, you’re still going to be carrying the dead weight of the bloated, inefficient system that doesn’t cover the service you require. The choice isn’t between Option A for $5,000 and Option B for $50, it’s between Option A for $5,000 and Options A _and_ B for $5,050. That said, Palin’s still a mouth-breathing Avatar of everything that’s wrong with social conservatism. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/76 "2009-08-08T13:00:16Z")
It’s not so much that President Obama would _create_ death panels, as he would be nationalizing the _existing_ death panels. And Sarah’s agin’ it! Note this, Rand Rover: > [@Sarah Palin](#): > > I commend [Bachman] for being a voice for the most precious members of our society, our children and our seniors. Sarah’s calling children and seniors the most precious members of society. What jobs do they create!? ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/77 "2009-08-08T13:15:50Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Look, OP, we understand you don’t like Sarah Palin. However, she says enough idiotic shit all on her own that you don’t need to make stuff up that she never said and say she said it. Why not say “Palin says Obama will create ‘death panels’”? That would be bad enough, wouldn’t it? Throwing reasonableness to the wind, respected newspaper Politico makes up that Palin said health care reform would kill her baby: [QUOTE=Ben Smith for Politico] Describing Democratic healthcare plans as “evil,” Sarah Palin is warning that the proposals being debated in Washington could threaten the life of Trig, her Down Syndrome infant boy. [/QUOTE] In other news, local douche bag predictably continues to pretend that a death panel threatening the life of a baby is meaningfully different than killing it. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/78 "2009-08-08T13:26:25Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > [http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note\_id=113851103434](http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434) > > Nothing really needs to be said. Except, of course, that she’s completely pulling this death panel bullshit out of her ass. She is incapable of writing this sort of statement. This is Meg Stapleton, at her most vile. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/79 "2009-08-08T13:37:47Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Is there any clause in there that insists on mandatory euthanasia of healthy babies with disabilities? No. Well I certainly wasn’t implying that. What I meant was, is there anything in this new healthcare bill that would disqualify total healthcare for someone with Trig’s level of disability? Private insurers do this all the time. Palin’s absurd hyperbole aside. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/80 "2009-08-08T13:56:14Z")
Apparently Sarah Palin doesn’t watch much TV. “Evil Insurance Company denies [costly but lifesaving medical procedure] to lovable and kind mentally disabled/Down Syndrome patient” is a standard trope of hospital dramas. That storyline showed up on ER, Chicago Hope, even way back on Trapper John, M.D. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703.md?page=5)