# Palin says Obama would kill her baby **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703 "2009-08-07T23:45:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/81 "2009-08-08T14:05:51Z")
Pubs are afraid that killing the mentally disbaled would cut into their base. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/82 "2009-08-08T14:19:24Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Well I certainly wasn’t implying that. What I meant was, is there anything in this new healthcare bill that would disqualify total healthcare for someone with Trig’s level of disability? > Private insurers do this all the time. > Palin’s absurd hyperbole aside. I can’t claim I read all bazillion pages, but did read the parts about child welfare carefully. There’s nothing like that. In fact, I feel I learned enough about the plan to state three things outright, which I did upthread. 1. There is no case where health care is completely denied to any person. 2. There is no case where the “level of productivity” (which Palin puts in quotes as if it is in the document, but it is not) is an issue, and 3. There is nothing that could be fairly called a “death panel.” Moreover, a child with Down Syndrome is completely healthy. The “level of disability” is quite low, many people with Down Syndrome have jobs, even go to work and back by themselves, live autonomously. It’s not a regressive condition and they can have long fruitful lives. I doubt even the most draconian private insurer denies a child health insurance for that level of disability. But one thing should be clear, private insurers can flat out deny a person coverage; the public insurance plan is quite clear that nobody can be denied insurance because of a pre-existing condition. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/83 "2009-08-08T14:21:41Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > Pubs are afraid that killing the mentally disbaled would cut into their base. Not to mention old people. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/84 "2009-08-08T14:24:27Z")
Somebody should ask Palin if insurance company colon tastes good. Seems like she’s in a good position to know. ---
**Author:** ![light\_strand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@light\_strand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/light_strand)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/85 "2009-08-08T14:39:39Z")
What do you suppose are the qualification for getting on a Death Panel? Evil laugh? Scar running down the side of your face? Colored liquids in an Erlenmeyer flask boiling over a Bunsen burner? Is experience required? I really want that job. AaaaHahahaha Ahhhhhhhh HAHAHAHAHA… ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/86 "2009-08-08T14:43:51Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > No, I’m not. Answer the question. > > She used the term “death panel.” You seem to be saying that cricetus is exaggerating when he says that Palin is saying there would be death involved with the judgment of “whether they are worthy of health care.” > > She used death panels. What is your read on how she meant that if no death is involved? Who is dying? Why are they dying? Where is the death? jsgoddess–the difference is between (i) Obama specifically intending the death of Palin’s baby, and the death of Palin’s baby certainly happening, and (ii) a panel making the deaths of lots of people (including Palin’s baby) more likely to happen. The title says (i) and Palin said something more like (ii). ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/87 "2009-08-08T14:45:55Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Rand Rover, you demonstrate continually that you are a moron. It stopped being funny months ago. If I underrstand this post correctly, and I think I do, it says that you like to bugger little boys behind the homeless shelter. Yep, that’s my reading of your post, can’t nobody tell me no different. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/88 "2009-08-08T14:52:48Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > If I underrstand this post correctly, and I think I do, it says that you like to bugger little boys behind the homeless shelter. Yep, that’s my reading of your post, can’t nobody tell me no different. You’re a sniveling cuckold for republidick and everyone knows it. Not to mention you’re a fucking dishonest liar. No wonder she resonates with you. 😃 As for Palin, someone needs to punch that bitch in her tard-cannon. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/89 "2009-08-08T15:08:06Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > jsgoddess–the difference is between (i) Obama specifically intending the death of Palin’s baby, and the death of Palin’s baby certainly happening, and (ii) a panel making the deaths of lots of people (including Palin’s baby) more likely to happen. I think the Obama death squads should ask people if they agree that this is a meaningful difference and if they do, conclude they are too simple minded to contribute to society and slay them. “But wait! I was just being a disingenuous ass on a message board! I’m aware that language can be figurati… aghgghgh!!!” ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/90 "2009-08-08T15:12:18Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > jsgoddess–the difference is between (i) Obama specifically intending the death of Palin’s baby, and the death of Palin’s baby certainly happening, and (ii) a panel making the deaths of lots of people (including Palin’s baby) more likely to happen. > > The title says (i) and Palin said something more like (ii). It doesn’t matter because they are both self-serving, fear-mongering lies. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/91 "2009-08-08T15:17:56Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by **kaylasdad99** > > and apparently expect everyone to view it as a killing argument that entirley invalidates the thesis of the OP. > > Either (i) quote the post where I say anything at all that would lead a reasonable person to believe the above or (ii) sit there an know that you are a loser who is doing exactly what I’m ranting about (i.e., just making shit up about people you don’t like). Umm, how about if I (iii) invite you to go pound sand, instead of either of those two? See, the courtroom-type “reasonable person” standard doesn’t strike me as a particularly (heh) reasonable bar to reach in any attempt to meet your challenge. I’m confident that I could craft an argument that would pass muster with a reasonable SDMB Pitizen, but I don’t really see that avoiding having the likes of you call me a loser is worth the effort it would take. You have a nice weekend, though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/92 "2009-08-08T15:23:52Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > ?? So pointing out that the title of a thread is inaccurate is a trick? And one that I would have to learn from someone? > > The “trick” of just making shit up about people that a poster doesn’t like has stuck in my craw for a long time. It’s like the whole “liar!!” thing–any politician that a poster doesn’t like is a “LIAR!@!!” > > Look, OP, we understand you don’t like Sarah Palin. However, she says enough idiotic shit all on her own that you don’t need to make stuff up that she never said and say she said it. Why not say “Palin says Obama will create ‘death panels’”? That would be bad enough, wouldn’t it? Okay, here is her quote > [@ctv.ca](#): > > “Who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course,” the former vice Republican presidential candidate wrote on her Facebook page, which has nearly 700,000 supporters. > > “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil,” Palin wrote. So you’re mad at **cricetus** for making stuff up? Is there any proof that Obama plans to have a “death panel” or that “productivity in society” is part of the health care bill? She pretty clearly implied that Obama would kill her baby. How did you interpret her statement? [http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090807/Palin\_Evil\_090807/20090807?hub=World](http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090807/Palin_Evil_090807/20090807?hub=World) ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/93 "2009-08-08T15:26:53Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > It doesn’t matter because they are both self-serving, fear-mongering lies. Right, that’s what I’m saying. What she said is stupid enough, why show yourself to be stupid too by embellishing it into something she didnt’ say? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/94 "2009-08-08T15:29:34Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Somebody should ask Palin if insurance company colon tastes good. Seems like she’s in a good position to know. Now now, this kind of talk unfairly impugns her motives. She might be lying for Jesus’ sake. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/95 "2009-08-08T15:29:36Z")
Everybody else seemed to get my meaning was clear, emphasizing the take-away Palin intended us to have: that Obama kills babies. You’re just trying to make this thread about you, and you’ve succeeded. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/96 "2009-08-08T15:46:59Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > You’re just trying to make this thread about you, and you’ve succeeded. Thanks for noticing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/97 "2009-08-08T15:47:42Z")
Somebody explain this to me… if the media reports about Sarah Palin’s family, that’s unfair and mean, but if she uses her child as a prop to make an absurd and dishonest political argument, that’s… okay? ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/98 "2009-08-08T15:56:49Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Most never read th bills. They have a staff that pours over every detail though. Are those the ones trying to kill the bill by waterboarding it? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/99 "2009-08-08T16:04:40Z")
Never mind - I am going to read the rest of the thread before I comment… ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/100 "2009-08-08T16:25:54Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Somebody explain this to me… if the media reports about Sarah Palin’s family, that’s unfair and mean, but if she uses her child as a prop to make an absurd and dishonest political argument, that’s… okay? It’s not meant to be logical. It’s meant to scare the shit out of you and make you angry enough that you’ll have no problem marching down to a town hall meeting and screaming your lungs off until everyone leaves. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703.md?page=6)