# Palin says Obama would kill her baby **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703 "2009-08-07T23:45:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/141 "2009-08-10T01:34:31Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > jsgoddess–the difference is between (i) Obama specifically intending the death of Palin’s baby, and the death of Palin’s baby certainly happening, and (ii) a panel making the deaths of lots of people (including Palin’s baby) more likely to happen. > > The title says (i) and Palin said something more like (ii). But she wants us to hear something more like (i) – or, rather, to ignore the distinction. And, of course, even when she says (ii), she lies. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/142 "2009-08-10T01:34:32Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The fact that you can point to so many actual untrue things she said makes it even sadder that you chose to focus on something she didn’t say. I invite you to go back to post number one and read the quote I cut and pasted from Sarah Palin’s own Facebook page. > [@](#): > > The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil. First of all, do you dispute that refers to something called a “death panel”? Because if you deny that, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean the words are right there in the quote, so I will assume that you will concede that one. Second of all, I point you to the words “level of productivity in society,” which again, are words, in that order. A=A. I say she said it because she said it. I didn’t even paraphrase. Third of all, she says that this so-called death panel will decide based on this so-called level of productivity “whether or they are worthy of health care.” I find it extremely unlikely that any literate, honest reading of that sentence would lead to any other conclusion than that Ms. Palin is suggesting that some people will be granted health care, others will be denied it. There is no indication here that she is talking about a specific procedure, but that some citizens will be deemed not worthy of health care. Of course you may stamp your foot and protest that she didn’t say that all. I can’t stop you. But given that two of my statements are derived from word-for-word quotes and the third is a coherent and inevitable reading of an exact quote, you have a pretty tough job making a case. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/143 "2009-08-10T01:37:47Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Did not!! > > Ok, your turn. Well, we know what your strategy is. Deny the facts, lie through your fucking teeth, and pretend it’s a tie when you’re a mile back with your face in the mud. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/144 "2009-08-10T01:38:06Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The Democrats [fold](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/9/764064/-Alright-Republicans,-We-Give-Up.). 😃 Panderers! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/145 "2009-08-10T01:38:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But she wants us to hear something more like (i) – or, rather, to ignore the distinction. > > And, of course, even when she says (ii), she lies. Yes, I would consider it very clear that she wants readers to hear (i). Obama will kill disabled babies and old people. Obama wants disabled babies and old people to die. Obama hates the disabled and the elderly. Obama is evil and unAmerican. Obama isn’t American. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/146 "2009-08-10T01:40:41Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > I’m an old people. Offer me the longer-lasting dose of Soma and I’ll take it in a heart beat. > > If we, the American people, ever get the well educated, well intentioned, well meaning, informed citizen death panels that we deserve, Sarah Palin will not last a day. She and Rand Rover might even go out hand in hand, without having any idea of where they are headed. That is, to a farm upstate. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/147 "2009-08-10T01:45:54Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Obama will kill disabled babies and old people. Obama wants disabled babies and old people to die. Obama hates the disabled and the elderly. According to Glenn Beck, only the white ones though. Phew! ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/148 "2009-08-10T01:53:22Z")
This is kind of fun to watch. As Palin keeps saying crazier and crazier things, you can see people drop away from her. It’s like peeling an onion. Now that we’re down to talk of “death camps” and Obama killing babies and whatnot, the only people left defending her are the completely crazy-fied center of the onion. I honestly can’t imagine what she could possibly do to make these last few die-hards give up on her. Put on a Superman cape and run nude through the streets of Anchorage? Claim that in a previous life she was Genghis Khan’s concubine? Support a tax increase of some sort? The mind truly boggles. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/149 "2009-08-10T01:56:30Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Where did this occur? > Who is “they”? > Have you seen documentation that demonstrates that the actual reason for denial was age and not an age-related condition? Decision made by doctors. she died about 1 month ago. her husband told me. Of course who the hell carries paperwork around to prove why his wife was denied. She died in Taylor ,Michigan. She had Medcare and a small rider from Blue Cross. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/150 "2009-08-10T01:57:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > It’s also true that not all persons with Down’s Syndrome are mentally retarded. Really? (Zero snark advisory) ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/151 "2009-08-10T02:01:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That is, to a farm upstate. Is it a nice farm, with lots of other morons they can play with? That sounds like fun! Can I go there, too? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/152 "2009-08-10T02:06:13Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > This is kind of fun to watch. As Palin keeps saying crazier and crazier things, you can see people drop away from her. **It’s like peeling an onion**. Now that we’re down to talk of “death camps” and Obama killing babies and whatnot, the only people left defending her are the completely crazy-fied center of the onion. I honestly can’t imagine what she could possibly do to make these last few die-hards give up on her. Put on a Superman cape and run nude through the streets of Anchorage? Claim that in a previous life she was Genghis Khan’s concubine? Support a tax increase of some sort? The mind truly boggles. So, like an ogre, she has layers. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/153 "2009-08-10T02:18:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Really? (Zero snark advisory) Really, although some degree of retardation is characteristic of sufferers (as well as the distinctive physical characteristics). Curiously, Down’s sufferers have drastically reduced rates of cancer and atherosclerosis, but this may just be because they generally don’t live much past 50. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/154 "2009-08-10T02:26:03Z")
Who else do they have? Limbaugh, Kristol, Gingrich and the other conservatives defend her all the time. They have no choice. she has a following and no other repub does. It would show growth if the repubs rejected her for stupidity. They will not. The repubs now have 2 bases. The Palin ultra conservative neanderthals and the business wing that will take the Palinites for a ride . That is not a marriage made in political heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/155 "2009-08-10T02:35:57Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > I invite you to go back to post number one and read the quote I cut and pasted from Sarah Palin’s own Facebook page. > > First of all, do you dispute that refers to something called a “death panel”? Because if you deny that, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean the words are right there in the quote, so I will assume that you will concede that one. > > Second of all, I point you to the words “level of productivity in society,” which again, are words, in that order. A=A. I say she said it because she said it. I didn’t even paraphrase. > > Third of all, she says that this so-called death panel will decide based on this so-called level of productivity “whether or they are worthy of health care.” I find it extremely unlikely that any literate, honest reading of that sentence would lead to any other conclusion than that Ms. Palin is suggesting that some people will be granted health care, others will be denied it. There is no indication here that she is talking about a specific procedure, but that some citizens will be deemed not worthy of health care. > > Of course you may stamp your foot and protest that she didn’t say that all. I can’t stop you. But given that two of my statements are derived from word-for-word quotes and the third is a coherent and inevitable reading of an exact quote, you have a pretty tough job making a case. You seem to believe that if someone is in the state of “not having health care” then that person is dead. That’s a weird belief. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/156 "2009-08-10T02:37:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Really? (Zero snark advisory) For some people with Down’s syndrome, [life goes on](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x9Eq7N0pQpc/RdzMGeCQmfI/AAAAAAAAAW8/S-qR7Kpw6Ng/s320/chris_burke_2.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/157 "2009-08-10T02:37:40Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You seem to believe that if someone is in the state of “not having health care” then that person is dead. That’s a weird belief. You seem to believe that a state of “not having health care” would be the result of a “death panel.” That is cute. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/158 "2009-08-10T02:43:20Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You seem to believe that a state of “not having health care” would be the result of a “death panel.” That is cute. More importantly, why would the phrase “death panel” (not to mention “Obama’s death panel”) need to be invoked at all in [del]describing[/del] making up shit about health care claims under UHC, unless . . . ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/159 "2009-08-10T02:46:53Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You seem to believe that a state of “not having health care” would be the result of a “death panel.” That is cute. The use of the term “death panel” would indicate that Palin thought that death would be the result of “not having health care” for some people–but she didn’t say that death would be the result of her baby not having health care. To reiterate: I don’t agree with what Palin said. I’m not saying she’s not making shit up. I’m just saying she didn’t say “Obama would kill [my] baby” as Cricetus said in the title of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703/160 "2009-08-10T02:50:43Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You seem to believe that if someone is in the state of “not having health care” then that person is dead. That’s a weird belief. What in the quoted material that preceded this conclusion of yours about what I “seem to believe” led you to it? What’s that? You’re just a trolling douchebag? Very well. Douche on, good friend. Douche on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/palin-says-obama-would-kill-her-baby/505703.md?page=9)