Palin says Obama would kill her baby

[MsWhatsit]

Just look out for those death-chips and death-packs of beer.

[UltraVires]

@pbbth

No, but what if your problem isn’t a bag of potato chips and a 12 pack of beer? Without looking elsewhere could you tell me which has more calories and fat, Fiber One or Start Smart? Or how about a can of RedBull versus a can of Amp? Which is better for you, mozzarella or sharp cheddar? What does a serving size of mashed potatoes look like? Can you research online to find these answers? I googled Mashed Potatoes Serving Size and in the first 3 links found 3 different amounts: 1/3 to 1/2 a pound, 2/3 cup and 1 cup. What kind of exercise should you be doing for your build and your general health? If you have chronic back problems what should you be doing to alleviate them? If you stop having an egg mcmuffin in the morning for breakfast and replace that with a banana how do you handle the dramatic increase in hunger pangs between breakfast and lunch?

These are things that could all be addressed in preventative care situations. Having a nutritionist help you put together meal plans and explain serving sizes can make a world of difference, as can being able to afford to see your doctor once or twice a year instead of only when you are really, incredibly ill. Catching problems early and teaching people what they need to know so they can teach that to their children is very important and could help turn the tide on the obesity epidemic. Besides that, those people who are overweight due to hormonal and other biological reasons could actually be looked at and have their problems addressed to help them deal with their weight and other health issues if they had more than 15 minutes a year with their doctor and didn’t have to play In and Out of Network Roulette with their blood work and lab tests.

Fair enough, though, admittedly I may be falling for stereotypes, the very, very overweight people that I know aren’t having trouble deciding between the grilled chicken salad and the soup of the day. They are deciding whether or not they have enough money for 3 Big Macs AND a milkshake, or should they just go with 4 Big Macs.

I don’t mean to offend anyone, and I have struggled with my weight at times in my life, but it seems like the people who obsess about calories are just a few pounds overweight and are only at a very modestly higher risk of illness.

[tnetennba]

@gonzomax

Of course. Your assumption is I am defending the premise. I am merely defining it. It is hard to argue that a 80 year old is a poorer candidate than a 30 year old. But once you accept it, then you open up arguments that show it can become arbitrary. Is a 50 near old less deserving than a 49 year old. Why did Mickey Mantle get a transplant when he was a alcoholic ? Why do the rich and famous get preferential treatment?

If you are not defending the premise you are doing an excellent impersonation of someone who is doing so. And if you want to argue about how Mickey Mantle gets preferential treatment under the health care plan that has not even passed into law, you have access to information I don’t, and information that is likely to shock the hell out of people when it comes out.

[Fear_Itself]

@MsWhatsit

Just look out for those death-chips and death-packs of beer.

Joe Deathpack ain’t skeered o’ nuthin’!

[Manduck]

This thread is giving me an unquenchable craving for chips and beer.

[Cazzle]

@gonzomax

So you are saying using age as a point of rejection is just logical. I suppose if you were an otherwise healthy 65 year old, you might not agree if you were rejected due to age. Should a 30 year old get preference over a 40 year old? Should a 29 year old get preference over a 30 year old? It can be a slippery slope to use age.

You misunderstand me. I’m not saying this is the way it should be. I’m saying this is the way it is. There’s an organ shortage. There aren’t enough organs to go around. You cited the poor lady as an example of someone denied a transplant on financial grounds but I was pointing out that finances might not have been the primary issue - the shortage of donor kidneys might be the reason she was deemed not suitable to receive the organ she needed. That’s terrible, and my heart goes out to her and her loved ones. I wish it could be different and that’s one reason why I’m registered to be an organ donor when I die - and why I know I ought to consider live donation of a kidney before that.

All the money in the world can’t change the fact that there are fewer kidneys than there are people who need them, and that this precious resource is given to those judged most in need and the most likely to benefit as a matter of necessity.

I sure as hell wouldn’t agree that it’s fair if I was the 65 year old in need, but it’s all a matter of perspective isn’t it? If I’m the 65 year old then it’s unfair! But if some old lady was saved over my 20 year old self, then I wouldn’t find that fair either. Every life is precious to someone and in a perfect world, we’d save them all. In this one, we’ve just got to work with what we’ve got.

[Fuzzy_Dunlop]

@Cazzle

All the money in the world can’t change the fact that there are fewer kidneys than there are people who need them

Which is WHY we need the death squads to roam the country killing retarded babies and Sarah Palin’s grandparents… to get us more kidneys.

[5que]

If more people were waking up in bathtubs full of ice, we’d have more kidneys.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@5que

If more people were waking up in bathtubs full of ice, we’d have more kidneys.

To soothe the sting or organ harvesting, I like to wake my victims up in bathtubs full of ice and chilled beer.

[Boyo_Jim]

@Fuzzy_Dunlop

Which is WHY we need the death squads to roam the country killing retarded babies and Sarah Palin’s grandparents… to get us more kidneys.

That brings up an interesting question…

What is the healthiest way to kill someone? I understand the most common forms of execution, electricity and lethal injection, are very bad for internal organs. And don’t get me started on firing squads, they make an absolute MESS!

Perhaps old Joe Stalin can teach us something – a single bullet to the back of the head. But we’ll do one better than Joe – our new national insurance WILL cover the cost of the bullet, so no need to bill the family for it.

Then again, beheading has a definite appeal…

[Raygun99]

Turns out the amendment in question was actually put in by a pro-life Republican.

[dropzone]

@Boyo_Jim

Perhaps old Joe Stalin can teach us something – a single bullet to the back of the head. But we’ll do one better than Joe – our new national insurance WILL cover the cost of the bullet, so no need to bill the family for it.

While our present system would bill for the bullet, the administration of the bullet, and the orderly’s delivery of Patient 1. And probably double-bill Patient 1 and Patient 2.

[wonky]

@Raygun99

Turns out the amendment in question was actually put in by a pro-life Republican.

Good for Senator Isakson.

[MsWhatsit]

@dropzone

While our present system would bill for the bullet, the administration of the bullet, and the orderly’s delivery of Patient 1. And probably double-bill Patient 1 and Patient 2.

Of course, it would turn out that the bullet was ordered from an out-of-network ammunition factory, which would therefore naturally have to send a separate bill of its own.

[Fuzzy_Dunlop]

@Boyo_Jim

That brings up an interesting question…

What is the healthiest way to kill someone? I understand the most common forms of execution, electricity and lethal injection, are very bad for internal organs. And don’t get me started on firing squads, they make an absolute MESS!

Perhaps old Joe Stalin can teach us something – a single bullet to the back of the head. But we’ll do one better than Joe – our new national insurance WILL cover the cost of the bullet, so no need to bill the family for it.

Then again, beheading has a definite appeal…

I think this situation really highlights the problem with hyper-partisanship. Palin is on her high horse railing against the death squads just because they’ll be Democrat death squads. What we really need is for our leaders to work together and for Palin to help Obama kill our babies and old people in the absolute most humane way possible. We need the death squads to shoot them from helicopters.

[El_Kabong]

@Fuzzy_Dunlop

What we really need is for our leaders to work together and for Palin to help Obama kill our babies and old people in the absolute most humane way possible. We need the death squads to shoot them from helicopters.

No, what we need to do is have the death squads throw them out of helicopters. Saves on ammunition, and everyone gets to ride in a helicopter at least once before they die.

[Jerseyman]

@cricetus

If you have fewer kidneys than people who need them, what are you going to do? Lottery? Cage fight? Do you give a kidney to a 101 year old man with lung cancer before you give it to a 20 year old because he called “heads.”

It’s easier to be against something if you aren’t looking at the situation or presenting alternatives.

If you’re the USA of course you do if the 101-year old can afford it and the 20-year old can’t.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@Jerseyman

If you’re the USA of course you do if the 101-year old can afford it and the 20-year old can’t.

I think you may have missed the point of this thread.

[Gyrate]

@El_Kabong

No, what we need to do is have the death squads throw them out of helicopters. Saves on ammunition, and everyone gets to ride in a helicopter at least once before they die.

Bonus points if you hit a wolf with them.

[tomndebb]

But wait!

Now, on her facebook page, Palin has called for restraint in the discussion!

Posted, Sun (09 August) at 7:33pm

There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment. Such tactics diminish our nation’s civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters’ passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying. Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us.

I have not figured out whether this is a better example of her rank hypocrisy or her total disconnect from reality. (Of course, I suppose that might be a false di\lemma.)