# Pancakes & toast vs. French toast & scrambled eggs...which is crazier? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 28, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711 "2003-04-28T16:58:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/1 "2003-04-28T16:58:12Z")
In yet another argument with Mrs. CaptMurdock, we are discussing the appropriateness of serving certain types of food together. Years ago, we were having pancakes together for the first time, and I innocently inquired about having toast with our pancakes. You would have thought I ordered a side of toxic waste. “Toast with pancakes?” she cries. “Inconceivable!” (No, she is not related to Wallace Shawn). Now, just yesterday, we are making French toast (yes, that’s FRENCH, not “freedom” toast :D), which as you all know is bread dipped in an egg batter and fried. She then wants scrambled eggs along with this. I remarked that this seems a little redundant (egg-saturated bread plus eggs). She didn’t get this. So, the debate is, which is more strange, pancakes with a side of toast (which I like, and even order in restaurants, but she says that nobody would expect this in a restaurant) or French toast & scrambled eggs (which she seems to think is normal, but I see as redundant.)? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/2 "2003-04-28T17:03:41Z")
FWIW, in my common trips to the excellent breakfast cafe near my apartment on the weekends for brunch, I will have both eggs and toast with both pancakes and French toast. (Don’t forget that there’s eggs in pancake batter too, ya know.) ---
**Author:** ![Lyllyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@Lyllyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lyllyan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/3 "2003-04-28T17:09:38Z")
If you really want to get technical about it, then the pancakes & toast would be the crazy one, IMHO. But, as they are really two different foods, albeit both made with flour, what is the difference in having, say, two muffins of different types (one blueberry, one banana)? Hang out at the local Waffle House one morning. You will find that lots o’ people will order waffles AND a side of raisin toast. Not an eyebrow is raised. Now, if you ordered an omlette and scrambled eggs, that would be crazy. ---
**Author:** ![missbunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/76d3ee/32.png) [@missbunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missbunny)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/4 "2003-04-28T17:10:05Z")
Anyway, in my highly scientific opinion, I think pancakes and toast is more weird. The bread-ness of the pancakes outweighs the egg-ness of the French toast. Pancakes are all liquified bread - French toast is only very partially scrambled eggs. But as long as you pick the right glass, you’ll be fine. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/5 "2003-04-28T17:10:05Z")
I’m with Mrs. CaptMurdock. I totally get her line of reasoning. To me, toast and pancakes are too similar, and I don’t care for them together. Eggs and French toast are different, so they _can_ be served together. Personally, I don’t really care for regular pancakes, but I do like crepes, which are made with thinned-out pancaka batter. We had breakfast at IHOP yesterday, and I got the International Passport breakfast which is 2 eggs, bacon and 2 crepes. Just my opinion, of course. Maybe it’s a gender thing. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/6 "2003-04-28T17:33:02Z")
[The following represents the comments of Mrs. CaptMurdock]: Yes this is one the of our typical agruments. All of a sudden it will strike me this is what you get when you marry late in life someone with odd habbits that they feel are somehow based in normalcy. :dubious: Have no doubt that we more than often laugh at these silly things. However I still feel that I am right and know that if it is straight from The Straight Dopers i will triumphantly win our great debate. 😃 I think that toast and pancakes as a common combo is not so. The reason I give for this is that I have never seen such a combo listed on the menu at a local pancake house. Sure they will gladly serve you and not make any comments about it but there are reasons for it not being offered as a usual duo. They are from the same food group!!! ;j On to French Toast. We made this for dinner last night as simple and quick dinner/ treat. He had almost finished the bacon and french toast and I advised him that now was the time to start the eggs. He then of course told that this was rather redundant. I told him NO!! Referring to the fact that they are on two separate places on the food chart and that if we were at Ihop we would find readily available french toast, eggs, and bacon. Needless to say that he some managed to eat the scabbled eggs even though they were redundant. :rolleyes: So am I mad as my lovely husband would have the world beleive or do I have some basis for my argument? ---
**Author:** ![Sengkelat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Sengkelat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sengkelat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/7 "2003-04-28T21:24:06Z")
You’re mad as a hatter. I cannot recollect ever seeing eggs and french toast offered together at IHOP or any similar place. I do agree that toast and pancakes is more redundant than eggs and french toast, but both of those are completely outweighed by the freakishness of having french toast, bacon and eggs for dinner. Not that there’s anything wrong with that (by our “is it on the menu at IHOP” standard, anything can be had at any hour) but it’s certainly a lot more unusual than what the two of you are arguing about. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/8 "2003-04-28T21:29:03Z")
I agree with the Mrs. as well as **missbunny** et. al. Pancakes and toast just wrong. French Toast and scrambled eggs, yummy. ---
**Author:** ![Murcielago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Murcielago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Murcielago)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/9 "2003-04-28T22:13:15Z")
Either choice involves way to many carbs & fats. The true breakfast of champions is Pop-Tarts and black coffee. Sugar rush plus caffeine rush, that is unbeatable!😉 ---
**Author:** ![RD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RD)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/10 "2003-04-28T22:41:32Z")
I’m with you that there is no harm in having two “related” items. Two breads, or two types of sausage. I like hashbrown _and_ fries with my meatloaf lunch, yet some servers try to argue me out of it! ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/11 "2003-04-28T22:55:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Murcielago \* > \*\*Either choice involves way to many carbs & fats. The true breakfast of champions is Pop-Tarts and black coffee. Sugar rush plus caffeine rush, that is unbeatable!😉 \*\* Are you kidding? Eggs have no carbs and about 5 grams of fat, bread (for either toast or French Toast) has about 15 carbs a slice and 2 grams of fat, pancakes have about 15 carbs or so, depending on how they’re made, and 2-3 grams of fat. Pop-Tarts have about 38 carbs and 10 grams of fat **each** , depending on the flavor. Because of the way they’re packaged, most people eat two Pop-Tarts at a time. You’re better off with an egg and slice of toast. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/12 "2003-04-28T23:12:17Z")
Pancakes and toast are more redundant and yes, it would strike me as a bit odd as they’re both breads. French toast and eggs seems a normal combination. (of course, I can’t have them on the same plate because I won’t eat the eggs if the syrup touches them - so, perhaps my opinions about food combinations should not be trusted.) ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/13 "2003-04-28T23:20:36Z")
[ul] **Please tell me that you don’t put syrup on your toast!** [/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Murcielago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Murcielago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Murcielago)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/14 "2003-04-28T23:23:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Are you kidding? > Eggs have no carbs and about 5 grams of fat, bread (for either toast or French Toast) has about 15 carbs a slice and 2 grams of fat, pancakes have about 15 carbs or so, depending on how they’re made, and 2-3 grams of fat. > > Pop-Tarts have about 38 carbs and 10 grams of fat each, depending on the flavor. Because of the way they’re packaged, most people eat two Pop-Tarts at a time. > > You’re better off with an egg and slice of toast. No, I am referring to the [low fat poptarts](http://kellogg.marketlocator.com/kelloggs/us/knutr.nsf/webpoptarts/E3379520E5380D1F86256A3F006F783C?opendocument&Cat=PopTarts). I only have one at a time, but they are “fortified with essential vitamins and minerals,” so a single serving gives me the energy I need to face the day. 😉 (and yes, I am kidding) ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/15 "2003-04-28T23:29:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sengkelat \* > \*\*You’re mad as a hatter. I cannot recollect ever seeing eggs and french toast offered together at IHOP or any similar place. \*\* It’s been standard on the [IHOP menu](http://www.ihop.com/menu0.html#panwaf) for years: > [@](#): > > _ **Vive La French Toast** _ > > French taste, American-style! Three extra thick slices, served with one egg and two bacon strips or two pork sausage links I frequently have it for lunch. I eat a lot of pancakes, but not usually with toast (IHOP does not offer toast with any of its pancake/french toast/waffle menu items). Then again, I’ve been known to pick up a banana on the side when I’m ordering a peanut butter and banana sandwich, so what do I know? ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/16 "2003-04-28T23:38:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Murcielago \* > \*\*No, I am referring to the [low fat poptarts](http://kellogg.marketlocator.com/kelloggs/us/knutr.nsf/webpoptarts/E3379520E5380D1F86256A3F006F783C?opendocument&Cat=PopTarts). I only have one at a time, but they are “fortified with essential vitamins and minerals,” so a single serving gives me the energy I need to face the day. 😉 (and yes, I am kidding) \*\* Oh, okay, the low-fat Pop-Tarts aren’t so bad, but the Brown Sugar variety you linked to still have 39 carbs in just one of them. That’s a lot to me. I have to watch my sugar and carb intake. Thirty-nine carbs would just about blow my carb budget for the day. I miss Pop-Tarts. I haven’t had one in years. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Sengkelat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Sengkelat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sengkelat)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/17 "2003-04-28T23:56:28Z")
SpoilerVirgin, just goes to show how out of touch I am. Thanks for setting me straight. I still say she’s mad as a hatter. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2003, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/18 "2003-04-28T23:58:14Z")
My SO and I just had french toast and scrambled eggs for breakfast at the diner yesterday. Fabulous. Pancakes and toast? Too many carbs in one meal, man. ---
**Author:** ![Murcielago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Murcielago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Murcielago)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2003, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/19 "2003-04-29T01:11:41Z")
[slight hijack] **BiblioCat** , I was making a joke, but the wierd thing is that Pop-Tarts and coffee (sugar and caffeine) were once my usual diet. I had to maintain weight for competitive purposes during high school, I grew from 5’10" to 6’3" while staying below 155 lbs. It was truly sick behaviour, I only stopped after waking up in the emergency room with an IV drip in my arm. I am healthly now, so I can look back on those days with a smile. [/slight hijack] ---
**Author:** ![racer72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/racer72/32/3075_2.png) [@racer72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racer72)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2003, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711/20 "2003-04-29T01:29:11Z")
Yesterday my breakfast consisted of a pancake, buttered and splotch of syrup, 2 slices of french toast, peanut butter on the bottom one, an over easy egg on the top one and more syrup poured over everthing. It was very tasty. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pancakes-toast-vs-french-toast-scrambled-eggs-which-is-crazier/171711.md?page=2)