# Panda? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2003, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426 "2003-10-09T04:27:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/21 "2003-10-09T16:14:12Z")
BTW, what was with the ENT crew’s weapons having apparently no effect on that boarding party? There were several direct hits on the intruders, but the invaders were unhurt; even they seemed a bit puzzled by this. And then the ENT crew didn’t seem to notice or remark that the intruders were immune to their weapons (unless I missed it). The Captain was interested in the weapon that was captured, but not why thier own were such duds. Do ENT phasers just basically suck (and if so, why doesn’t the crew just whip out a few handguns or an Uzi, fer chrissakes?), or are some races immune to them? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/22 "2003-10-09T16:16:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by squeegee \* > **Was the time-travel character really named “Future Guy” ? Tell me they didn’t really call him that on the show!** No, I think he was called Future Boy. Or Captain Galaxy. One of the two. According to my gyrograph, we are aboard a futuristic cruise ship in the year 1987! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/23 "2003-10-09T16:29:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by squeegee \* > (1)\*\*Was the time-travel character really named “Future Guy” ? Tell me they didn’t really call him that on the show! > > \*\*(2)\*\*And, jeez - how can they introduce all this back story and a dozen new species, etc., and it’s all somehow forgotten by the time of TOS? > > \*\*(3)\*\*Or maybe Time Travel Guy’s visit changed the future, so now in this series, TOS TNG, etc never happened. 😕 > > \*\*(4)\*\ ***Aesiron** : Naked Hoshi? :eek: > Darn, my google search is just turning up a buncha stupid celebrity spam cites. ☹ \*\* 1. I doubt even Bermand and Braga are that unoriginal. **NCB** ’s a different story though. 2. Think about all the species that we encountered in TOS that didn’t show up in TNG or the races that TNG introduced but never made the crossover to DS9 or Voyager. The universe is a big place. Also, think about Earth’s own history. How many Khoisans do you know? Latvians? Aboriginees? Tajikistanis? Andorrans? Amazonians? 1. Doubtful. That’s what most hardcore elitists wanted but that went out the window when the show was renamed Star Trek: Enterprise. Like it or not, Enterprise is canon, continuity errors and plot holes alike. 2. Send me an email at [aesiron@charter.net](mailto:aesiron@charter.net) and I’ll send you the image I have saved to my hard drive. You have your email option turned off. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/24 "2003-10-09T19:06:52Z")
Sent you the files. If you can, respond either here or there letting me know you got them. I didn’t get a confirmation that it went through but don’t want to resend and unintentionally spam your inbox. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/25 "2003-10-09T19:31:56Z")
just keep emailing him asking if he got the last email. keep doing it every 3 minutes. It is the only way to be sure. ALSO: Hoshi Hoshi Hoshi Hoshi Hoshi Hoshi… ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/26 "2003-10-09T19:40:20Z")
**Aesiron** - Got em! (Wow, watching UPN seems to be like watching TV in the UK, skin-wise. Is America ready for SciFi cootchie ?!?) Thanks!!! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/27 "2003-10-09T21:19:38Z")
Well, Denise Crosby (Yar/Sela) _did_ pose for Playboy. ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/28 "2003-10-09T21:37:04Z")
Wow, a thread completely dedicated to one of our trekisms. Now all I have to do and sit back for a Phaser-Cutting-Phaser thread so I too my own horn to. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/29 "2003-10-09T22:52:27Z")
> [@](#): > > from _Aesiron_ > How’re crabby Vulcans any different than the kind we’ve been watching for the past thirty-seven years? Okay, crabbier Vulcans? I figure that they went from unemotional (in earlier series) to Holding-Humans-In-Contempt-Crabby-Buttheads in this show. Since the start, _Enterprise_ has been portraying them as if they have some sort of animosity towards humans, and always are grumpy about giving any help or offering alliance. I don’t recall that specific attitude in prior Trek series. > [@](#): > > 1. Doubtful. That’s what most hardcore elitists wanted but that went out the window when the show was renamed Star Trek: Enterprise. Like it or not, Enterprise is canon, continuity errors and plot holes alike. Yes, but it might still all get explained away at the end, with some sort of event that changes the timeline, so that the new official timeline, the Enterprise events Never Happened. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2003, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/30 "2003-10-09T23:44:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wearia \* > \*\*Wow, a thread completely dedicated to one of our trekisms. Now all I have to do and sit back for a Phaser-Cutting-Phaser thread so I too my own horn to. \*\* ‘Tisn’t just **your** horn that’ll be tootin’ in that thread. If it wasn’t for me actually believing **carnivorousplant** when he said that phaser-cutting phasers were mentioned in “The Devil in the Dark”, and going out of my way to get a DVD of the epsiode so’s I could see for myself, phaser-cutting phasers would’ve been lost in the same dustbin of history as New Coke. ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/31 "2003-10-10T03:48:25Z")
Touche **tracer** , touche. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/32 "2003-10-10T04:02:25Z")
I have a garage full of New Coke. I swim in it sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/33 "2003-10-10T04:03:13Z")
Handguns on a spaceship? HULL BREACH!!! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/34 "2003-10-10T05:49:50Z")
Thanks to all for the serious and/or silly responses to this thread. Much appreciated. I’m going to take a peep at the rerun on Sunday and probably get seriously addicted to this Trek. Thanks for the leg up. However: I’m still wondering about my earlier question: > [@](#): > > _Squeegee respectfully queries, in an uncertain and quavering voice reminiscent of Oliver Twist asking for more gruel:_: > > BTW, what was with the ENT crew’s weapons having apparently no effect on that boarding party? There were several direct hits on the intruders, but the invaders were unhurt; even they seemed a bit puzzled by this. > > And then the ENT crew didn’t seem to notice or remark that the intruders were immune to their weapons (unless I missed it). The Captain was interested in the weapon that was captured, but not why thier own were such duds. > > Do ENT phasers just basically suck (and if so, why doesn’t the crew just whip out a few handguns or an Uzi, fer chrissakes?), or are some races immune to them? Thanks for any enlightenment. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/35 "2003-10-10T19:07:40Z")
I was puzzled by the same thing… I have no idea. I did notice that Archer managed to knock one of them unconscious with one shot though. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/36 "2003-10-10T22:00:34Z")
**Aesiron** , thanks. I found some speculation in alt.something.etc.trek.enterprise that the ineffective weapons were “pulse rifles”, and Archers weapon was a “Phase weapon”. Whatever that means. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/37 "2003-10-10T22:55:49Z")
Here’s the quote from that newsgroup: > [@](#): > > Why can a small number of Xindi enter Enterprise and move through the ship at will, ignoring all resistance from the crew and the MACOs? Here’s a hint. The MACO pulse energy weapons don’t do squat to them. They might as well have been throwing spitballs. On the other hand, when Archer fires a phaser – sorry, phase pistol – at them, it is effective. Memo to the marines – get yourselves some phasers, grunts. You can use those pulse rifles of yours for door stops. [link](http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=pN3gb.2716%24M71.93828%25) ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/38 "2003-10-11T02:01:02Z")
Oh, joy. That means the Starfleet people will have to rush to save the Marines that are there to save them. It’s ironic and stuff! Get it!? \ ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/39 "2003-10-11T03:16:48Z")
> [@](#): > > getit!? Well, no. Not quite. I didn’t realize there were two groups of people on the ship, Marines/MACO(?‘maco’ --wtf?) and Starfleet. Sigh, I guess I’ll get up to speed on this stuff eventually. I only have myself to blame for missing 2 seasons and showing up late. Where is that online faq for STE hiding? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426/40 "2003-10-11T03:54:07Z")
[Official synopses](http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/ENT/episodes/index.html?season=1&category=date) of all the episodes. Note original air dates and titles, then search CAFE for the title and date. Don’t try _ **AND** _ read all of _Cease Fire_ in one setting. You’ll go all zombie Vulcan if you do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panda/206426.md?page=3)