# Panel Finds Palin Abused Power (Troopergate) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 11, 2008, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397 "2008-10-11T00:31:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/81 "2008-10-11T17:46:56Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Ah, notice I said cookie and not pie – the gist of the blurb was on 😛 I disagree, but since you were kind enough not to tear apart my hideous excuse for a sentence, I won’t object if someone else awards you the cookie. > [@Scylla](#): > > In all seriousness, and without spin. By all accounts this guy is a crazy mofo and a bad cop, and was actually threatening her family. Taking these three sentences together it’s hard to tell whose side you’re on, but in case you’re serious, the investigator wasn’t convinced that anyone felt seriously threatened: > [@The Report](#): > > “[T]he evidence presented has been inconsistent with such claims of fear.” ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/82 "2008-10-11T19:15:17Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > This was from his interview on CNN: That’s far and away the most adorable Taser anecdote I’ve ever read. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/83 "2008-10-11T19:32:44Z")
From the mouth of Walt Monegan himself: > [@Walt Monegan](#): > > “For the record, no one ever said fire Wooten. Not the governor. Not Todd. Not any of the other staff,” Monegan said Friday from Portland. "What they said directly was more along the lines of ‘This isn’t a person that we would want to be representing our state troopers.’ " > > Palin again brought up Wooten in February 2007 as they were walking together to wish a state senator a happy birthday, Monegan said. He said he told Palin he had to keep her at arm’s distance on the matter and she agreed. [Cite.](http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510080.html) “Friday” would have been August 29, 2008. Now, if Branchflower thinks that’s abuse of power (and it is **only** Branchflower, we’re talking about - there is no “panel”), that’s all well and good. However, this is just Branchflower’s report to the Legislative Council, not the findings of the Legislative Council. There’s no there there. Not saying there won’t be, mind you. Just that it’s not there yet. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/84 "2008-10-11T20:56:46Z")
And thus it is confirmed: no minds are changed. Again, those who are hardcore Palin syncophants will remain so, those who are are hardcore Obama haters will remain so, those who are just lovers of McCain for other reasons will remain so. Those who see Palin as proof of McCain’s poor judgment will continue to believe so, but no more so than they already did. The rest are already ignoring that Palin exists or consider her mildly either way other than as a bit of distracting entertainment of no real import … like celebrity gossip. The rest have been concluding that Obama seems more Presidential than McCain, is less risky than McCain, and more likely to to get us on a better path to the future than McCain. Allow the Palin lovers their justifications; there is enough other evidence of McCain’s unsuitability for the job without beating the issue of Palin any more. ---
**Author:** ![Atomicflea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Atomicflea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atomicflea)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/85 "2008-10-11T21:32:14Z")
Update: Palin denies any wrongdoing, says [“You gotta read the report!”](http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/11/palin.investigation/index.html?iref=mpstoryview) 😃 Did SHE read it? I bet she thinks it’ll give her extra time to stall. ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/86 "2008-10-11T22:06:34Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So they resorted to painfully tortured reasoning to link her and the charge of abuse of power through her husband. You know mate, this sort of thing is disappointing. In reading up on this I find your objection an almost copy paste of the party political people, but in reading the actual document, I am hard pressed as a Tory sort to see tortured reasoning. It seems clear the woman let her offices (and was actively involved in enabling such, or alt. was stunningly incompetent and disinvolved in managing her smallish provincial offices) be used for furthering a family feud. This is despicable behaviour that fundamentally undermines proper democracy. (pity its too common in local government here, but…) Calling the reports conclusions “tortured” - at least at my ordinary understanding of reasonable behaviour without getting into empty legalisms - seems touching the depths of empty party political behaviour. I have been looking in amazement at own party criticism of the current candidacy on the right, but with this I think I understand it. Like Labour in the 70s or the Tories c. early 90s, a side has become impossibly blinded to its own corrupt idiocy. Natural, and the partisans need to be whacked. Will happen, one hopes soon, in UK (after properly whacking Maggie at the end), and should happen there. And really mate, you should read your note in utter shame, unless you’re one of those party political diehards (whatever formalities it is behaviour that counts). ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/87 "2008-10-11T22:14:58Z")
> [@wmfellows](#): > > … unless you’re one of those party political diehards… You have not read many of magellan01 posts, have you? ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/88 "2008-10-11T22:32:12Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And thus it is confirmed: no minds are changed. I agree. The sufferers of Palin Derangement Syndrome continue to wail to an uncaring heaven. By all means, ignore the facts. Don’t actually address the issue. Care to comment on what I posted other than your fingers-in-ears-la-la-la attitude? But go ahead; believe in your empty-suit messiah and your borderline insane VP choice. We’ll be over here when you all are ready to rejoin reality. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/89 "2008-10-11T22:37:16Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > I agree. The sufferers of Palin Derangement Syndrome continue to wail to an uncaring heaven. By all means, ignore the facts. Don’t actually address the issue. Care to comment on what I posted other than your fingers-in-ears-la-la-la attitude? But go ahead; believe in your empty-suit messiah and your borderline insane VP choice. We’ll be over here when you all are ready to rejoin reality. If I didn’t know any better, I could attribute this exact quote to the other side and it would have equal relevance. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/90 "2008-10-11T22:37:27Z")
People who use the phrase “empty suit messiah” rarely have anything to say that is worth responding to… ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/91 "2008-10-11T22:54:37Z")
> [@](#): > > your empty-suit messiah and your borderline insane VP choice Huh. And the Republicans manage to combine one in Sarah Palin. While there are certainly some Obama fans who think he’s an amazing, charismatic leader full of hope for the future, practically flawless in every way, even you can’t claim that they believe he’s a _literal_ religious savior. That kind of freakish devotion and utter insanity belongs to your team’s loonies: From [The Strang Report: Prayin’ for Palin.](http://www.strangreport.com/2008/10/prophecy-for-sarah-palin.html): > [@](#): > > Pastor Mark Arnold of Lebanon, Ohio, writes: > > On Sept. 9, the McCain/Palin bus came through a little town called Lebanon, Ohio. The Lord allowed me to go to the rally [to give McCain and Palin] a message that He wanted me to personally deliver. > > Sunday Night: A burden hit me that would only shake me to my knees–I prayed and wept for our nation. Never has my heart been so broken before God. I literally interceded for these wonderful people who do not deserve all the hate against them. The God-haters are going to try everything to stop them, but they will not succeed! > > **God is not pleased with the “bashing” in the news of this “anointed” person [Sarah Palin]. He has called her for this time!** I promised God that I would pray and hold them up in prayer. I would “listen” out and be mindful of where they were. The following day is important in this time line … because I didn’t even know until God spoke to me. > > Monday and into Monday night: The burden of prayer was so heavy that I was literally shaking and could not stop weeping. I didn’t know that they were coming to Ohio. I prayed and walked and wept and walked. I prayed and prayed and wept and prayed. > > . . . > > It was at this moment Sarah Palin reached out for me to help her up, and as I was assisting her to stand, I was now face-to-face with her, and God said, “Open up your mouth and I will fill it.” > > Here is what came out: > > “God wants you to know that you are a present-day Esther!” > > [She immediately began to cry!] > > “God wants to tell you that you are chosen for such a time as this!” > > “You are called, and chosen to be a leader.” > > “Don’t lose heart and don’t fear man.” > > “The news and naysayers and criticizers are going to be very hateful toward you … and in the days ahead they are going to turn up the heat … but do not fear.” > > “You are a present-day Esther.” You are an Esther. You are an Esther! > > “Keep your eyes on God and know that He has chosen you to reign!” > > “Stay strong … be strong … don’t tire. Don’t be weary in well-doing. Be strong.” > > Her husband, Todd, came over, and I told him what I told her. He began to cry. > > I emphasized the fact that he was to guard her at this time … and know that “she is God-called and God-anointed.” So _which_ side again has the “empty suit messiah”? Which side’s candidate actually _believes_ this shit? The same side that calls Obama the antichrist. Such charming beliefs they have! Such a Jesus-like love for their fellow man! The original Queen Esther, it must be said, was never found guilty of abusing power and firing a guy merely to further a shabby family squabble. Apparently those who are GOD-APPOINTED and GOD-CALLED these days are allowed a bit more leeway for sleaze. ---
**Author:** ![Camus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba8739/32.png) [@Camus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/92 "2008-10-11T22:57:44Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > From the mouth of Walt Monegan himself: > > [Cite.](http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510080.html) > > “Friday” would have been August 29, 2008. > > Now, if Branchflower thinks that’s abuse of power (and it is **only** Branchflower, we’re talking about - there is no “panel”), that’s all well and good. However, this is just Branchflower’s report to the Legislative Council, not the findings of the Legislative Council. There’s no there there. > > Not saying there won’t be, mind you. Just that it’s not there yet. On your own ADN cite, there’s a recorded phone call from one of Palin’s subordinates calling a lieutenant in Monegan’s office saying, among other things, that “the governor is scratching her head as to why [Wooten] is still representing the department.” Given this, the numerous emails, dozens of phone calls from Palin’s staff but also Palin herself and Todd Palin, as well as mentioning the issue to Monegan in person several times, it’s clear that Palin not only wanted Wooten fired but wanted Monegan to do it. And this was all AFTER the investigation into Wooten concluded and he had already been punished for his illegal and improper conduct. As the report says, there’s no dispute that Palin could have fired Monegan because his moustache scared her, but she was improperly using her position of authority (with her husband muscling in as well) to try and get Wooten fired after he was already punished for his actions. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/93 "2008-10-11T23:16:51Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > I agree. The sufferers of Palin Derangement Syndrome continue to wail to an uncaring heaven. By all means, ignore the facts. Don’t actually address the issue. Care to comment on what I posted other than your fingers-in-ears-la-la-la attitude? But go ahead; believe in your empty-suit messiah and your borderline insane VP choice. We’ll be over here when you all are ready to rejoin reality. Interestingly enough, you never actually have to say the words “fire that man” to strongly imply this is your desire, nor do you have to say them to coerce someone in to helping you achieve that end. Maybe I’m not understanding your position, but are you arguing that nobody tried to pressure Monegan in to firing Wooten? Do you think saying “This isn’t a person that we would want to be representing our state troopers.” implies that you would like the “person” to not have a job as a state trooper? ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/94 "2008-10-11T23:29:12Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > I agree. The sufferers of Palin Derangement Syndrome continue to wail to an uncaring heaven. By all means, ignore the facts. I hereby acknowledge these facts: Fact: A bipartisan legislative committee of the Republican-dominated Alaska legislature _unanimously_ called for an investigation of potential abuses of power and/or improper actions by members of the executive branch. Fact: Palin then prompted her attorney general to begin a separate investigation, which the Republican chair of the House Judiciary Committee called “harmful to the credibility of the administration, harmful to the process and harmful to all the parties involved” and “the worst possible thing to be doing.” Fact: After repeatedly saying she would cooperate fully, Palin declined to be interviewed. Fact: Palin filed an ethics complaint against herself with the Personnel Board, which answers to her. Fact: When the legislative committee declined to call off its investigation, Palin’s lawyer told the Personnel Board there was no reason to proceed on the ethics complaint. Fact: **The investigator found that the governor had abused her power in violation of state law** : AS 39.52.110(a) of the Ethics Act. > [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > From the mouth of Walt Monegan himself: > > [Cite.](http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510080.html) > > “Friday” would have been August 29, 2008. > > Now, if Branchflower thinks that’s abuse of power (and it is **only** Branchflower, we’re talking about - there is no “panel”), that’s all well and good. However, this is just Branchflower’s report to the Legislative Council, not the findings of the Legislative Council. There’s no there there. There’s no _if_ there. > [@](#): > > But go ahead; believe in your empty-suit messiah and your borderline insane VP choice. We’ll be over here when you all are ready to rejoin reality. The reality is that no one here believes Obama is a messiah but he is certainly not an empty suit. He has faced shrewd, experienced, and well-connected opponents in the primary and general elections and outmaneuvered them at practically every turn. He has shown himself to be not just a stirring orator but a savvy campaigner and an effective debater with extensive knowledge and deep understanding of the major issues of the day. Say you disagree with him, but to call him an empty suit at this stage of the game shows a willful blindness to reality. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/95 "2008-10-11T23:35:36Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > I agree. The sufferers of Palin Derangement Syndrome continue to wail to an uncaring heaven. By all means, ignore the facts. Don’t actually address the issue. Care to comment on what I posted other than your fingers-in-ears-la-la-la attitude? But go ahead; believe in your empty-suit messiah and your borderline insane VP choice. We’ll be over here when you all are ready to rejoin reality. Here’s a letter from today’s [newspaper](http://www.adn.com/opinion/letters/story/552736.html): > [@](#): > > The Lord has anointed Sarah Palin > > Sarah Palin has been despised by her opponents, die-hard Democrat fans and detractors. They considered her as a narrow-minded and know-nothing person, weak, poor, a liar and with no experience. This is unfair unto the eyes of God. Did you know that the Almighty God has chosen and called Sarah Palin from His flocks to be the running mate of John McCain? God called her to confound the wise, to confound the things and those people who considered themselves mighty, and base things of the world, and things which are despised, and things which are not, yea to bring to nought things that are. (I Corinthians 1:26-28). Tell me again about reality and those who live in it. It’s such a charming fable from the party of the loony. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/96 "2008-10-11T23:42:41Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > This was from his interview on CNN: Yes, now, that’s the sort of thing I suspected probably happened. Just horseplay, which they all laughed at until they decided he was the enemy. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/97 "2008-10-12T00:41:34Z")
**Arizona** , to be fair no doubt few minds would have been changed if this report exonerated her either. But it didn’t. Branchflower was hired with the unanimous approval of the bipartisan panel to investigate the allegations made. The panel is made up of 4 Democrats and 8 Republicans. They also, unanimously, appointed Sen. French to manage Branchflower. Unanimously. A panel the majority of which were Republican. Branchflower is no political hack. For 28 years he was Anchorage prosecuter and returned to run the newly created Office of Victim Rights. His job as prosecuter was prinarily to evaluate cases for prosecution. He was not objected to by either side because he has been widely respected by Alaskans in general. Palin agreed to this process and promised cooperation. On multiple occassions. She then rescinded that promise once she was under Team McCain’s wing. The findings are Branchflower’s report, akin to the report of an independent special prosecuter. The panel agreed to release it. They have not _per se_ endorsed it. What is clear? Palin’s extended family is a motely crew and there has a been a messy divorce with various allegations made, some possibly based on fact, some not, some with some exaggeration. Some disciplinary action was taken against Wooten but the Palin family was not satisfied. The Governor’s office and the Governor’s appartchik’s were used to put pressure on Monegan from virtually the day he was sworn in, pressure that made it clear that the governor was displeased that Wooten was on the force. Monegan made it clear that he had no reason to revisit past disciplnary actions. Palin has a clear history of firing people who she has felt are not loyal enough to her. She has been within her legal rights to do so each time. Monegan was as aware of that history as anyone else. There is no clear proof that Monegan was fired for refusing to fire Wooten and Palin is within her legal rights to fire him. The independent investigator hired unanimously by a bipartisan comittee, a professional prosecuter, did find that the use of the Governor’s office to pressure Monegan was an abuse of power and constituted a violation of the ethics rules. Now I am not wailing about this. I really don’t care. I have plenty of other reasons to have already concluded that Palin is not a suitable person to be a heartbeat away from being our country’s President. If I did not have those reasons then this alone would give me only a moderate amount of pause but not be a deal-breaker. And if I otherwise admired Palin then this would be something I could find in my heart to ignore. I would hope that I would not delude myself like you have done, but accept her character flaw as part of a complete package that is overall to my liking. No minds will be changed on the basis of this alone. McCain rolled the dice on Palin. And she gave a damn good convention speech. But the dice kept rolling and they didn’t end up buying baby a new pair of shoes. She will get him some turn-out among the hardcore RR, but she has ended up losing him some of the middle. Just some. Most of the middle McCain has lost himself … and Obama has won over. No, they have not become convinced he is the messiah, just that he is an effective politician who has the skill set to be an effective President. This eternal process has given them enough of a chance to conclude that. Wail about it if you want. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/98 "2008-10-12T00:51:40Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > **Arizona** , to be fair no doubt few minds would have been changed if this report exonerated her either. But it didn’t. > > Branchflower was hired with the unanimous approval of the bipartisan panel to investigate the allegations made. The panel is made up of 4 Democrats and 8 Republicans. They also, unanimously, appointed Sen. French to manage Branchflower. Unanimously. A panel the majority of which were Republican. > > Branchflower is no political hack. For 28 years he was Anchorage prosecuter and returned to run the newly created Office of Victim Rights. His job as prosecuter was prinarily to evaluate cases for prosecution. He was not objected to by either side because he has been widely respected by Alaskans in general. It should also be noted that up here Branchflower is known as a conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/99 "2008-10-12T01:03:20Z")
The Times article on Friday, based on interviews with people who finally talked, mentioned Todd meeting with Monegan in a state conference room. Todd had a stack of personnel folders on the table. I’d want to know how someone unconnected with state government and with no official capacity got private folders. That must be against some privacy laws. Arizona, if your principal’s spouse had it in for you for some reason, would you be happy if he/she got access to your private records? The article made me think Alaska was being run like some family owned company, where the rules didn’t really apply and family rules supreme. Why do we think she wouldn’t run the country the same way? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397/100 "2008-10-12T01:23:40Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > If I’m reading the entrails correctly, Wooten and McCann have two children. I would assume that the court was not concerned with various other children that both appear to have had with others. Shit, poor kids. So basically, the kids could end up with their messed up shithead of a father, because Auntie couldn’t be arsed to take the legal means to deal with him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/panel-finds-palin-abused-power-troopergate/467397.md?page=6)