# Pardon my naivete...
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006
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**Created:** [March 8, 2000, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006 "2000-03-08T00:02:00Z")
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### Author:  [@Beauxeau\_IX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beauxeau_IX)
#### Post date: [March 8, 2000, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/1 "2000-03-08T00:02:00Z")
I’m semi-quasi-new to this board, and I just took my first dives into the BBQ Pit and this ATMB forum. I scanned a couple of threads about John John/Cyb and his band of sock puppets, as well as some threads in the MPSIMS regarding the oh-so-popular Micheal Masterson, and noticed talk of “trolling.”
Though sharp enough to figure out it has negative connotations, I’ve not quite figured out what is meant by the term. What sort of actions constitute trolling?
For that matter, is there any sort of “list of etiquette” that a newby might refer to in order to prevent oneself from becoming an asshole? I, in general, try to take a “play nice” approach, but I’d like to know when I might be approaching one of those lines that shouldn’t be crossed.
Thanks, All, for any help/insight you can provide.
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### Author:  [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)
#### Post date: [March 8, 2000, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/2 "2000-03-08T00:35:00Z")
The first thing most folks think of when they hear the word “troll” is some creature that lives under a bridge and is a co-star in fairy tales. While there’s a lot of similarity between the Brothers Grimm variety and the modern day troll, there’s no magic wand or puzzle to solve that makes them disappear.
“Troll” is a perjorative term in cyberspace and the word covers a lot of territory. It’s become a catchall word to describe our problem children, mostly with difficulties of an interpersonal nature.
A troll will ask foolish questions . . . oten repeatedly, become rude and insulting when their questions aren’t answered as fast as they would like or with the expected result. A troll will not be confused with the facts but will maintain their belief or attitude about a subject even in the face of a greater truth.
Trolls tend to exhibit attitudes that are racist, sexist, and boorish. And they don’t mind showing off their negative qualities for all the world to see.
“Trolling” is when one of these folks sets up topics on a message board or chat room designed to annoy people and/or start arguments; then they’re off to the races. And so is any other participant. People can get really involved in longwinded arguments over these topics, and for no good purpose.
Trolls pick fights, say ugly things, and make the entire forum intolerable for others. It’s the old deal about one bad apple ruining the barrel; people get sick of the fights and the attitude and they find something else to do with their free time. The forum and its attendant membership suffers.
As for John/Cyberian, he has a long history with the Teeming Millions, going back to when we were on AOL. He was just as lovable there as he is here.
Hope this answers your questions.
your humble TubaDiva
Administrator
The Straight Dope
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### Author:  [@Myron\_Van\_Horowitzski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myron_Van_Horowitzski)
#### Post date: [March 8, 2000, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/3 "2000-03-08T20:22:00Z")
Strictly speaking, “troll” refers to the post. The person posting is a troller, but lately the usage troll is inclusive for both.
It is derived from the fishing term; the troller casts the bait on the board and then sits back to wait and see who’ll bite.
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### Author:  [@Myron\_Van\_Horowitzski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myron_Van_Horowitzski)
#### Post date: [March 8, 2000, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/4 "2000-03-08T20:28:00Z")
PS-
From the Encyclopedia Mythica:
> [@](#):
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> In Scandinavian myth, trolls are ugly, malicious creatures and the enemies of mankind.
That’s why “troller” gave way to “troll”.
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### Author:  [@WallyM7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WallyM7)
#### Post date: [March 8, 2000, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/5 "2000-03-08T23:04:00Z")
The troll’s credo:
“I’d rather be hated than ignored.”
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### Author:  [@Boogarrheal\_Catastrophe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boogarrheal_Catastrophe)
#### Post date: [March 9, 2000, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/6 "2000-03-09T08:47:00Z")
All this is correct, in theory. In reality, however, ‘‘troll’’ is merely a pejorative that people throw out when they are too lazy to identify the real issues, or too controlling to ignore that which they dislike. The word says more about the nature of the person who uses it than the person upon whom it is used.
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What game are YOU playing?
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### Author:  [@Jois](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jois)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2000, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/7 "2000-03-10T03:52:00Z")
So, just inquiring, Beauxbeau, are your called “Bo-Bo”?
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Are you driving with your eyes open or are you using The Force? - A. Foley
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### Author:  [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2000, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/8 "2000-03-10T07:00:00Z")
Jois -
You added a non-existant “b”. I’m guessing the intended pronunciation is BoZo…
- Sue
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2000, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/9 "2000-03-10T07:06:00Z")
Another possible trollism is to create multiple usernames to support the troll when no-one else will do so.
Right, Sandyca…Boogarr…Hell, I can’t keep them straight anymore! 🙂
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### Author:  [@Boogarrheal\_Catastrophe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boogarrheal_Catastrophe)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2000, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/10 "2000-03-10T09:03:00Z")
You people are absolutely right. Nobody has ever used the term ‘‘troll’’ inappropriately in the SDMB. It is a completely objective term, not subject to misuse. To suggest otherwise, as I have done, must mean that I am hiding some alternative identity. How could I have missed the logic? Oh, foolish me!
Likewise, nobody here would ever be so intolerant that they would dismiss an unpopular viewpoint by impugning the character and honesty of the individual who expresses it. Perish the thought!
No, indeed, because as we all know, regs here on the SDMB always respond intelligently, civily, and with the best intentions of upholding reason and fighting ignorance. That is why I can always count on hearing cogent discussions when a viewpoint is expressed that dissents from the majority opinion.
Forgive me. I must have stumbled into the pit by mistake.
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What game are YOU playing?
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### Author:  [@Dr.Watson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Watson)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2000, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/11 "2000-03-10T09:26:00Z")
Was there a full moon tonight?
Dr. Watson
“I sound my barbaric yawp over the roofs of the world.” – Walt Whitman
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### Author:  [@Boogarrheal\_Catastrophe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boogarrheal_Catastrophe)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2000, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/12 "2000-03-10T09:50:00Z")
Awoooooooo!
Awoooooooooo!
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What game are YOU playing?
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### Author:  [@Beauxeau\_IX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beauxeau_IX)
#### Post date: [March 10, 2000, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/13 "2000-03-10T13:32:00Z")
> [@](#):
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> Originally posted by Jois:
> So, just inquiring, Beauxbeau, are your called “Bo-Bo”?
Nice guess **Jois,** but **Majormd** is correct. Delete the incidental “b” and it’s Bozo.
By the way, Everyone, thanks for all the input.
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Mmm, sure…listen…
Do you think I could interest you in a pair of zircon-encrusted tweezers?
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### Author:  [@abderian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abderian)
#### Post date: [March 11, 2000, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/14 "2000-03-11T17:34:00Z")
Pardon my naivete, too, but I’ve got another question along similar lines.
I’ve seen several references to “sending” trolls to “Coventry”, but find no definition of such in any thread. Does anyone care to explain Coventry to another newbie?
Thanks.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [March 12, 2000, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/15 "2000-03-12T06:18:00Z")
To send someone to Coventry is to stop responding in _any_ fashion to a supposed troll’s threads, allowing the threads to drop out of sight and out of mind.
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### Author:  [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)
#### Post date: [March 11, 2000, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/16 "2000-03-11T20:53:00Z")
For all kinds of information (etymology, etc.) and opinions regarding Coventry, try this recent thread in **General Questions** :
[What is Coventry?](http://boards.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/006407.html)
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Tom~
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### Author:  [@abderian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abderian)
#### Post date: [March 12, 2000, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/17 "2000-03-12T00:22:00Z")
Slythe and Tom, thanks for the explanation. The thread you sent me to, Tom, explains it very well (although I can’t figure out why it didn’t come up when I searched).
Anyway, I’ve got it now. Thanks.
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### Author:  [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)
#### Post date: [March 12, 2000, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/18 "2000-03-12T03:42:00Z")
> [@](#):
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> I can’t figure out why it didn’t come up when I searched
Because the search engine, hereabouts, is much better at idling your computer than at finding posts.
(Three days ago, the engine got me just about everything I sought on a quirky subject. Yesterday and today I could not find _anything_ no matter how open or restricted I set the parameters. :::shrug::: We just live with it.)
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Tom~
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### Author:  [@CalifBoomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalifBoomer)
#### Post date: [March 12, 2000, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/19 "2000-03-12T03:55:00Z")
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### Author:  [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)
#### Post date: [March 12, 2000, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pardon-my-naivete/1006/20 "2000-03-12T07:56:00Z")
“For that matter, is there any sort of “list of etiquette” that a newby might refer to in order to prevent oneself from becoming an asshole? I, in general, try to take a “play nice” approach, but I’d like to know when I might be approaching one of those lines that shouldn’t be crossed.”
Actually, not being a jerk goes a long way. For a more detailed list, you can do a search for “netiquette”, which is how I found this site: [http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/index.html](http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/index.html)
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Lynn
If it’s helpful, I’ll compare everyone to Hitler so we can get this
over with as soon as possible.