Are you saying they are or aren’t suing? Sorry, what you said about the lawyer implies that they’re not, but the rest of what you said implies that they are. I didn’t read anything about a lawsuit, unless I missed that.
If and when they sue, the lawyer who fought to get her moved will not be taking the case. He also said that he is pro-choice - “pro-choice as hell” just to help keep this out of the abortion wars.
I assumed they were going to sue. If in fact they were responsible for the problem, I’d guess they’d think twice about it.
If this stuff is true, I’m beginning to wonder if some of these family members might not have some criminal culpability in the child’s death. I suppose it would be terribly unfair to pile legal troubles on top of what they already have, and stupidity in itself isn’t a crime, but geez…
I’m going to discount the cheeseburger rumor until it becomes founded, if only because it sounds like the kind of racist (black people are ignorant/stupid), fat-ist (fat girl couldn’t wait to have a cheeseburger), anti-intellectual (uppity nurse shoulda known better) nonsense I’d expect from internet trolls. It’s far more likely that the LPN grabbed the suction because the girl was choking on secretions, or blood, than that she let her eat a cheeseburger. Should she have suctioned a person who was not her patient? Hell no. But it’s a much more understandable action in a feared emergency than feeding a cheeseburger to a postop patient.
Then again, this is presumably the same family member nurse who was talking to the press about how the girl wasn’t really dead, so what do I know?
You’ve mentioned several of the reasons I didn’t initially mention that rumor, WhyNot. I also figure that if they DID do that, they did it out of ignorance rather than stupidity (doctors are always being over cautious, hoe much harm could one small bite of food really do?). Lots of patients and families aren’t fully compliant with medical instructions, and fortunately it doesn’t usually lead to tragedy.
But I also think that if they DID do something like that, it sure would explain their extreme level of denial. All parents who lose a child suffer, but those who are directly responsible for the death (accidentally leaving their baby in a hot car, running their toddler over when they back up the car because they didn’t see the kid was playing in the driveway) exist in their own personal level of Hell. Denial might be preferable to opening the doorway to that level of pain.
Until someone attempts it we really have little to no information to go on, do we? I haven’t been able to find anything substantial in my recent googling, but then, I admit I haven’t poured a lot of time and effort into this.
Of course, there are massive, massive issues concerning a total lack of consent beforehand before turning someone into a science experiment.
Yes.
Apparently, the placenta is able to buffer fluctuations in blood pressure and oxygen levels. I’m not at all conversant with how much of a “spare tank” this gives the fetus but as I noted up thread it’s the reason why in the past some kids survived the death of their mother long enough to be delivered by C-section. It’s really the only reason to hope the kid might be able to survive all this.
The mother pressed the daughter to have the operation against her wishes. That seems like plenty of justification for the guilt without all this other stuff.
Not that this proves it didn’t happen.
Not to mention that some people are just nutbags (as anyone who’s ever read public comments on a big website can attest).
Maybe some day we’ll learn more about the events leading up to the hemorrhage. Maybe we won’t. Whatever happened, it doesn’t change the outcome: a brain-dead little girl with a grief-stricken family who aren’t willing to let her go.
Now the family’s lawyer is saying that Jahi McMath is improving under the care of optimistic doctors.
And the insanity continues…
(Shades of Monty Python’s Black Knight: “It’s only a flesh wound!”)
That is almost certainly not the case. The hospital has not been granted permission by the family to speak freely about the issues, but were able to say:
Bolding mine. This is backed up by the Supplemental Declaration of Dr. Heidi Flori linked to up thread. It’s a pdf so I can’t cut and paste and am too lazy to type it out, but she says that as of her writing (January 3rd) the family had not yet named a facility willing to take her body. They very well may have had several places lined up, but were not offering any names so the hospital would be able to do their job and coordinate transfer of care.
Pointing out that some/many/ANY of their patients will become sick from infections they catch while in the hospital is a terrible thing for the hospital to bring up. “How incompetent are they? First they put this poor girl in a coma after a routine procedure and now they’re saying they won’t do another one because she’ll get everyone else sick. Is that what happened to her? Don’t they wash their hands in that place?”
“Burns was rushed to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead. He was then transferred to a better hospital where doctors upgraded his condition to alive."
So was she listed as “(Still) Dead on Arrival” ?
There’s really nothing there. They took a breathing tube out of her mouth, cut a hole in her throat to put another one in, then they cut a hole in her stomach. They probably gave her the same anesthesia that you or I would get for that. Then they bounced her from a bed to a gurney to a vehicle to a gurney to a bed. After she returned to her baseline they can claim she improved and stabilized, but it’s meaningless.
last I checked - dead was pretty stable - if all her functions are controlled by machine, I would expect them to be ‘stable’ as well.
Why did Norman Bates’ mother just flash in front of my face.
When my sister lived with me she did a continuing ed class - at the time she was an ICU nurse - and I helped her study by playing a game of “dead or not dead” off of ECGs (?). So you know when you are watching medical television that when it flatlines its dead, right - well, you are right (to a point, its sometimes possible to restart a flatlined heart). But that little repetitive peak of activity doesn’t mean they are alive. The easy ones - and even I could tell these after knowing what to look at - where the dead people on pacemakers - that pacemaker will keep the heart beating for a long time and the way to tell its a pacemaker is that the signal is so very pretty and perfect - a heart beating naturally isn’t perfect.
Nope, that’s the problem really. The blood pressure starts to drop, so you give drugs to bring it back up. The kidneys start to fail, so you give drugs to make urine. Now the blood pressure is going too high, so you give drugs to fix that. Now the temperature is going low, so you wrap the body in warming blankets and hang a bag of warm iv fluids. Now secretions are blocking the airway, the vent is alarming!
Bodies in a persistant vegetative state or coma are often quite stable. Dead bodies are always trying to go even deader.
good point - thanks for the clarification -
As far as I’m concerned, DSeid won the thread with his earlier comment “It’s a hospital, not the Bates Motel.” Seems like the Bates Motel is what a subset of our citizenry would love to recreate (at taxpayer expense, of course).