# Paris goes free! WTF?! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120 "2007-06-07T14:44:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/341 "2007-06-09T23:22:24Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] Understand? It is CUSTOMARY to release prisoners early. [/QUOTE] You make me wonder if you really know what you are talking about. She wasn’t released early. She was transferred to a house arrest program despite an explicit order that this was not to be done. If the sherrif had wanted to release her, he could have. In fact, he still could, and the judge wouldn’t be able to do anything about it. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/342 "2007-06-09T23:36:55Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] Well now who’s ignoring who? I addressed the seperation issue already. 😛 [/quote] Yeah, but by making an assumption. > [@lowbrass](#): > > Of course, such things don’t seem to prevent people from making assumptions anyway. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/343 "2007-06-09T23:38:24Z")
[QUOTE=Uvula Donor] Truth hurts, huh Faptor? [/QUOTE] Guys, keep your Snarkpit nonsense out of this thread and off this board. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/344 "2007-06-09T23:46:40Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] Guys, keep your Snarkpit nonsense out of this thread and off this board. [/QUOTE] Oh, c’mon, it’s the Pit and it’s a thread about PARIS HILTON! What better place to engage in a little snark fighting? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/345 "2007-06-10T00:12:11Z")
[QUOTE=Lamar Mundane] The reason she’s in prison is not DUI, it’s DUR, Driving Under Revocation. As I understand it, the DUI case is not even revelant. [/QUOTE] First off what California vehicle code section is DUR? :rolleyes: She was thrown in jail for probation violation. If you go back and read for detail, you will see I was addressing this comment > [@](#): > > P.S. - Paris pleaded hers down to reckless driving, from what I understand. So your friend was actually convicted of a more serious crime, Which makes it sound like reckless driving is some magically lesser charge than a DUI. As my California Vehicle Codes cites show, the penalties are identical. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/346 "2007-06-10T00:23:51Z")
Paris has an ARMY of people to help her navigate through the world. This army is not dangerous to us TODAY, but it threatens her neighbors and the stability of the region. In the 21st Century we can no longer wait for our enemies to strike us – therefore we must remove Paris from power and hold her indefinitely at an undisclosed location – maybe Egypt? ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/347 "2007-06-10T00:27:54Z")
I do believe **fluiddruid** gets some chocolate. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/348 "2007-06-10T00:54:51Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] First off what California vehicle code section is DUR? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] This is me being a smart ass 😉 : > [@](#): > > [California Vehicle Cose Section 14600 - 14611](http://www.defend-me.com/California-Vehicle-Code/california-vehicle-code-section-14600-14611.asp) > > 1. (a) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at any time when > that person’s driving privilege is suspended or revoked for reckless > driving in violation of Section 23103 or 23104… > > (b) Any person convicted under this section shall be punished as > follows: > (1) Upon a first conviction, by imprisonment in the county jail > for not less than five days or more than six months and by fine of > not less than three hundred dollars ($300) or more than one thousand > dollars ($1,000)… ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/349 "2007-06-10T01:35:02Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] I believe that they are saying she wasn’t eating. I also heard tell that she would not stop crying. They were worried about both her physical and mental health. [/QUOTE] Y’know, I though jail was supposed to be a _leetle bit_ bad for you… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/350 "2007-06-10T07:12:04Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] Paris has an ARMY of people to help her navigate through the world. This army is not dangerous to us TODAY, but it threatens her neighbors and the stability of the region. In the 21st Century we can no longer wait for our enemies to strike us – therefore we must remove Paris from power and hold her indefinitely at an undisclosed location – maybe Egypt? [/QUOTE] [Gen. Turgidson] Mr. President, we _cannot_ allow there to be an heiress gap! [/GT] ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/351 "2007-06-10T07:32:28Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] Same response to you as to **DTC** read Post #281 I swear sometimes I wonder if this thing is on. [/quote] I wonder if you brain is on. One anecdote from 1987? Get back to us when you’ve got something, o.k.? > [@](#): > > Then what about my cow-orker that spent 30+ for the exact same thing as PH? Oh, you mean that story you told from 20 YEARS AGO? I don’t think DtC or I ever said that nobody has EVER served a jail sentence for parole violation. “Is this thing on” indeed. > [@](#): > > The penalties are exactly the same for either offense. [Penalties for reckless 23103](http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23103.htm) [PDF with the penalties for drunk (section 23536)](http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vcpdf/divisions/11_5.pdf). In fact if you get a second DUI arrest within 7 years, the law looks at it as a second offfense DUI [cite section 23103.5](http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23103_5.htm) So from a legal point of view, the penalties are exactly the same. From an insurance point of view, insurance companies treat both offenses the same. AFAICT the only advantage to pleading this sucker down is you can honestly say that you have never been convicted of DUI. So what’s your point? You’re arguing that Paris got better-than-normal treatment, and that the experts DtC heard on the news are wrong, and you’re basing it on something your buddy told you in 1987 and some co-worker of yours who actually got out of jail _sooner_ than Paris did? Whatever… ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/352 "2007-06-10T07:41:03Z")
[QUOTE=Apos] You make me wonder if you really know what you are talking about. She wasn’t released early. She was transferred to a house arrest program despite an explicit order that this was not to be done. If the sherrif had wanted to release her, he could have. In fact, he still could, and the judge wouldn’t be able to do anything about it. [/QUOTE] Released from JAIL. Yes, she was under home arrest. Honestly, did we HAVE to do this back and forth just now to nitpick a point that everyone here already understood? I mean, if you want to discuss what the sheriff did, let’s do that. You don’t need the fucking stupid “you don’t know what you’re talking about” recriminations. Yes, let’s talk about that. What Baca _should_ have done was let her out early, and not cite a medical condition as the reason, since this appears to be somewhat unprecedented. I agree that he _could_ have released her early if he had gone about it differently. But you need to read the quotes from the L.A. Times article I posted earlier, and then you will understand that this is more about a strange power struggle between the sheriff and the judge, and is not as simplistic as you’re making it out to be. What the judge is trying to do is apparently rather unprecedented as well. ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/353 "2007-06-10T07:46:03Z")
And finally - kidchameleon: I looked at your cites, and I think you need to explain exactly how they’re supposed to make your point as to what the average amount of time a person spends in jail for doing what Paris did, and how that proves that she got special treatment. I’m not seeing that in any of those cites, and the last cite doesn’t even explain what it’s supposed to be a list of. So maybe you should quote the exact sections of the cites and explain how they make your point. The blind links aren’t cutting it. ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/354 "2007-06-10T07:54:43Z")
[QUOTE=kidchameleon] Yeah, but by making an assumption. [/QUOTE] If you have some hard evidence that proves she was seperated from the general population just to be nice to her or because she bribed someone, please share it. First, you make an assumption that she’s being held in isolation for some reasons other than pragmatic ones, _then_ you castigate me for not addressing this, then when I point out that I _did_ offer another possible explanation, you get bent out of shape about _that_. If you have some solid evidence, I’ll gladly concede the point. I haven’t seen any yet. Sometimes jails have to put certain people in protective custody for whatever reason. They do it for a _reason_. You can’t assume it’s just done as some kind of personal favor. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/355 "2007-06-10T08:07:57Z")
STOP IT! Can’t you see this Paris Hilton discussion is tearing us apart?! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/356 "2007-06-10T10:30:00Z")
Is this you at the end of this video **lobrass**? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/uyyI_KlN3Tc/hqdefault.jpg "Paris Hilton to jail. Man response in terror!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyyI_KlN3Tc) ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/357 "2007-06-10T15:25:22Z")
[Paris says she won’t appeal sentence.](http://lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=12898) > [@](#): > > Jailed heiress Paris Hilton has recommended the world focus on more important issues than hers, such as the war in Iraq, while she works on herself to ‘learn and grow’. > > Hilton’s lawyers said she would not appeal her 45-day jail sentence for a probation violation in a reckless driving case. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/358 "2007-06-10T15:28:34Z")
Well, _that’s_ no fun! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/359 "2007-06-10T16:38:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Jailed heiress Paris Hilton has recommended the world focus on more important issues than hers, such as the war in Iraq, while she works on herself to ‘learn and grow’. See, Paris agrees with me. Now, you wretches that have been howling for her blood should take her advice, and focus on things like how the wealthy are using their economic advantage to rip off you and your loved ones. Because right now, Paris Hilton’s being more mature about this than YOU are. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/360 "2007-06-10T16:45:18Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] I wonder if you brain is on. One anecdote from 1987? Get back to us when you’ve got something, o.k.? Oh, you mean that story you told from 20 YEARS AGO? I don’t think DtC or I ever said that nobody has EVER served a jail sentence for parole violation. “Is this thing on” indeed. [/quote] So what is this the **DTC / Lowbrass** tag team? You are same the same silly assed things he was. You said > [@](#): > > but as far as I’ve seen, NONE of you who are claiming it is customary for people who are caught driving on a license suspended for reckless driving to serve a full jail sentence have even that much to base your claim on. You appear to be simply pulling that assertion out of your ass. and accused people who said this type / length of sentence of “pulling the assertion out of your ass” So I posted a personal experience where I knew someone who got exactly the same sentence as PH, now you dismiss this with it was 20 years ago? OK, pop quiz: Over the last 20 years have drunk driving laws in California more lenient? **T/F** (circle one) If you answered true you are a moron. I will tell you the same thing I said to DTC,: > [@](#): > > So far we have had two lawyers with over 50 years experience tell you this is not out of line, and two other posters tell you they have seen cow-orkers get similar treatment, and you still have your fingers stuck in your ears going LA-LA-LA I can’t hear you cite LA-LA-LA. > > So we can all stop wasting time on this shit, please come right out and tell us exactly what the fuck you will accept as a cite. > Oh and don’t forget, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, your talking heads will need to match that same level. > [@](#): > > So what’s your point? You’re arguing that Paris got better-than-normal treatment, and that the experts DtC heard on the news are wrong, and you’re basing it on something your buddy told you in 1987 and some co-worker of yours who actually got out of jail _sooner_ than Paris did? Whatever… Again read what you wrote: > [@](#): > > P.S. - Paris pleaded hers down to reckless driving, from what I understand. **So your friend was actually convicted of a more serious crime,** yet did less time in jail than Paris is going to do. So yeah, she’s being treated differently, but it’s harsher treatment. I changed the size so you can read what I was responding to without your glasses. I informed you (with cites) that reckless is not a lesser crime, it is an equal crime. Christ, there are not enough :rolleyes: to deal with you and DTC. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120.md?page=19)