# Paris goes free! WTF?! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120 "2007-06-07T14:44:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/461 "2007-06-15T21:18:21Z")
in a statement to **lowbrass** [QUOTE=Apos] You’re just denying it to be an ass. [/QUOTE] to be fair, I think he’s an ass irrespective to his denying that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/462 "2007-06-15T23:30:43Z")
But, hey! This gives Paris time to prepare [for her role in a Stan Lee cartoon on MTV!](http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/bwiddicombe/2007/06/14/2007-06-14_paris_shaped_by_the_pen-3.html) > [@](#): > > A separate source directly involved with the project likened it to the ‘Stripperella’ cartoon developed by Lee in 2003 for Pamela Anderson. So, who wants to start the betting pool on how long this will last? ---
**Author:** ![lowbrass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lowbrass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lowbrass)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/463 "2007-06-16T02:37:44Z")
[QUOTE=Apos] Yes you have. She WAS late for court. Her defense WAS that she hadn’t even read the agreement she signed for her own probation. And so on. Any of these things are valid things for a judge to consider in sentencing. Why, 10 pages in, do you keep mistating the issues like this? She WASN’T “let out” she was given a treatment explicitly ordered that she was not to have by a sherrif with financial connections to her family and a long history of giving special treatment to celebrities (like Mel Gibson) on a “medical” reason that simply vanished at the point it became moot. That’s not invented, that’s reality. You’re just denying it to be an ass. But I already pointed what the study can and can’t tell us. What it can’t tell us is if the sentence was extreme given the judge. (I’m STILL waiting for a cite on this from either you or DtC) Nor can it tell us if the situations being compared really were similar given the other factors the judge cited at sentencing. Seriously, you’re not really this intellectually dishonest, right? This is all a joke? None of those “experts” have offered any data or opinion that contradicts the two points I just listed. [/QUOTE] Apos, I didn’t want to come back, but you’re being so fucking obtuse that I feel the need to explain this stuff to you. Do you have ANY source that verifies any of your claims about the alleged reasons why she got a longer sentence than anyone else? If you do, post it now. If not, then this is entirely conjecture. I don’t know why you’re having such a hard time with the concept. I agree that the medical justification thing was bizarre. Still, the number of days she spent in jail was not unusual. You can get all red-faced and flustered about it and call me nasty names, but lots of experts agree with me. And why do you keep insisting on making this pedantic point about her not being “let out”? She was let out of JAIL. I already explained that that’s what I meant, yet you pretend as though I never did. If 4 days is the average treatment one gets, then 4 days PLUS the rest of the sentence on home arrest is not “better treatment”. It is decidedly _worse_ treatment. I think what’s really happening is that we’re just talking past each other. YOU’RE saying her treatment was “better” than serving the entire sentence in jail, as per the judge’s unprecedented stipulation, while I’m saying it wasn’t “better” than what people normally get under similar circumstances. I doubt this explanation will do any good though. But now I truly _am_ tired of this, so I’ll allow you to continue to take as many shots at me as you like. Have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/464 "2007-06-16T02:48:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Paris Hilton’s fellow inmates are celebrating her returns to the women’s jail where she was originally detained, saying the heiress’s presence has apparently prompted prison staff to shower them with extra rations. > … > "Since she was here last week, they started giving us double bologna, double apple juices. Two blankets instead of one - and a sheet, too! Everyone has cookies coming out of their pockets,” Rosemary Gibbons, 35, who was released from the jail on Thursday, told the New York Daily News. [Hilton ‘improves prison conditions’](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/15/wparis115.xml) ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/465 "2007-06-16T19:08:42Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] Apos, I didn’t want to come back, but you’re being so fucking obtuse that I feel the need to explain this stuff to you. Do you have ANY source that verifies any of your claims about the alleged reasons why she got a longer sentence than anyone else? If you do, post it now. If not, then this is entirely conjecture. [/quote] Jesus: EVERY cite we went over like ten pages ago noted this stuff. She WAS late to court. She DID defend herself (or rather have lawyers defend herself) on the grounds that she hadn’t read what she signed. What makes your demand for evidence particular ridiculous is that you yourself were discussing this along with us! And now it’s like black hole land: never happened. Cite!? > [@](#): > > I agree that the medical justification thing was bizarre. Still, the number of days she spent in jail was not unusual. You can get all red-faced and flustered about it and call me nasty names, but lots of experts agree with me. Again, you are misrepresenting WHAT they agree with you on. The cite I posted agreed that compared to the country as a whole, NOT taking into account specific conduct relevant to her sentencing and NOT taking into account whether this judge is harsher or not, she got a harder sentence than 80%. But while that’s a good starting point, it doesn’t really answer the question. Maybe that remaining 20% are the people who did things, like she did, that pissed off the judge. Isn’t that pretty relevant to the issue? If you can agree it is, then why keep lying and claiming it isn’t? > [@](#): > > And why do you keep insisting on making this pedantic point about her not being “let out”? Because you keep misstating it. Which just so happens to help you completely avoid that central issue in whether she got special treatment or not. You brush it off as “bizarre” when in fact that’s the core issue in the case. ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/466 "2007-06-17T11:45:34Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] But, hey! This gives Paris time to prepare [for her role in a Stan Lee cartoon on MTV!](http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/bwiddicombe/2007/06/14/2007-06-14_paris_shaped_by_the_pen-3.html)So, who wants to start the betting pool on how long this will last? [/QUOTE] Zero! I pick zero! ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120/467 "2007-06-17T15:46:27Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] [Hilton ‘improves prison conditions’](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/15/wparis115.xml) [/QUOTE] Paris would really redeem herself, in my eyes, if she devoted her life to improving prison conditions around the world by staying in them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paris-goes-free-wtf/407120.md?page=23)