# Part of the Dems problem is a propaganda asymmetry **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163 "2024-11-12T19:13:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/61 "2024-11-14T19:12:14Z")
> [@Ceretarges](#): > > Another part is that they’re not willing to weaponize things, IMO. Like, Biden could have, after the Supreme Court decision, killed all the conservative justices and then threatened congresspeople with the same fate to get his appointees through. He then could’ve passed an anti-packing law, enshrining a 9-0 Dem majority for god knows how many years. And it would all be ok by presumptive immunity. But he didn’t. And that’s why they made the decision. They know making decisions that _could_ threaten their livelihoods (and lives!) _won’t_ be used to under Democratic presidents, because they give the slightest shit about morality. So they feel free to make those decisions. I agree; the Republicans fight dirty, the Democrats don’t. Which is a problem because if only one side fights dirty they have an advantage. The Democrats keep trying to play chess while the Republicans are playing “street thug with a baseball bat”. ---
**Author:** ![survinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@survinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/survinga)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/62 "2024-11-14T23:00:50Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > To this topic, I really liked Matt Yglesias’s article One thing he mentions that really hit home with me was Hillary’s deplorables comment vs Trump’s “anyone who votes for Democrats is crazy” comment. Hillary was speaking of half of Trump’s base. Trump was speaking of all Democrats. She gets attacked relentlessly over the deplorable comment and Trump gets no pushback at all about the “crazy” comment. It can’t be this lopsided forever. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/63 "2024-11-14T23:11:53Z")
> [@survinga](#): > > It can’t be this lopsided forever. You’re right. The country will collapse before it gets better. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/64 "2024-11-15T11:01:49Z")
> [@Ceretarges](#): > > Another part is that they’re not willing to weaponize things, IMO. Like, Biden could have, after the Supreme Court decision, killed all the conservative justices and then threatened congresspeople with the same fate to get his appointees through. Yep. After they pulled a fast one to stop Obama from nominating a Supreme Court Justice, I said the new rule was, “Naked exercises of power are the new norm.” The GOP changed the rules, but the Democrats kept trying to play as if that hadn’t happened. You may not like the new rule, and you might even be planning to change it back as soon as you have the ability to do that, but in the short term, playing the game by the current rules is just a pragmatic necessity. If they ever get back into power, the Democrats need to start understanding this. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/65 "2024-11-15T12:09:48Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > If they ever get back into power, the Democrats need to start understanding this. Agree completely w your sentiment here. But I’d rearrange the cause and effect parts of your statement to something more like: > The Democrats need to start understanding this if they ever expect to have any hope of getting back into power. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/66 "2024-11-19T13:56:14Z")
Just wanted to cross-post this here: > [@Is it Time to Tone Down the Wokeness, Especially about the Past?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-time-to-tone-down-the-wokeness-especially-about-the-past/1010287/273): > > Here’s one reason the right had/has such success w/their target demographic and the most recent election: ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/67 "2024-11-19T19:27:26Z")
> [@survinga](#): > > One thing he mentions that really hit home with me was Hillary’s deplorables comment vs Trump’s “anyone who votes for Democrats is crazy” comment. > > Hillary was speaking of half of Trump’s base. Trump was speaking of all Democrats Correct- _“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”_ So she was saying that racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, and Islamophobic people are deplorable. Which is absolutely true. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2025, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/68 "2025-05-16T12:10:03Z")
Will read the rest of the thread but here is a fun tool to create our own. [https://makeameme.org/memegenerator/angry-obama](https://makeameme.org/memegenerator/angry-obama) Made my own [http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54643&start=24435](http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54643&start=24435) Last post here …let me know you can see it. Useful agitprop tool and KISS simple. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2025, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/69 "2025-05-16T12:37:50Z")
You can use any of these images with your own captions [https://makeameme.org/newest/](https://makeameme.org/newest/) ---
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/70 "2025-05-19T02:46:57Z")
maybe because MAGA comes across as more “talking to/for you” as opposed to “talking at you” (liberal 'we know what’s good for you/ what you should do") ---
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163/71 "2025-05-19T02:59:00Z")
recall that Trump got more Black and Latin votes than 2016 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/part-of-the-dems-problem-is-a-propaganda-asymmetry/1010163.md?page=3)