# Party gets out of hand, kills stranger **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2010, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016 "2010-11-09T10:45:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/21 "2010-11-10T13:32:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > If I were carrying in thqt situation, I think I’d blast a few holes in the ceiling to get their attention before I tried to shoot the beaters and not hit the beatie. “Doper Kills Couple Canoodling in Bedroom above Party Scene” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/22 "2010-11-10T13:51:35Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > “Doper Kills Couple Canoodling in Bedroom above Party Scene” Good point. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/23 "2010-11-10T14:01:48Z")
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again - I just don’t get people like this. The greatest anger I’ve ever felt as an adult led me to write a harshly worded open letter to my student government. The last time I threw a punch was in middle school - it did no harm (that was pretty much the _first_ punch I’d thrown in anger, ever), but I still feel bad about it. Beating a man to death, even with help, is not a fast process - that’s why we invented weapons, after all. What has to be going through your mind to convince you that carrying through to the end is a good idea? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/24 "2010-11-10T15:58:22Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [A party in GA got out of hand](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FATAL_PARTY_BRAWL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-11-09-03-15-16), and the parents of the high school girl who’s house was overrun by more than 80 people asked everyone to leave. > > A fight between 2 girls broke out. Another fight between 2 guys broke out. One of the girls somehow hit a guy, who backed off of hitting her, but for some dumbfuck reason vowed to kick the ass of the next person he saw. Who, conveniently, was 5’ 6" tall and weighed 125 lbs. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/25 "2010-11-10T16:08:21Z")
Predictably, the four accused are claiming innocence and [blaming each other](http://www.ajc.com/news/jailhouse-interview-i-did-735765.html). I hope the witness evidence will be strong enough to determine who was involved and make it stick. An earlier version of the story said that a local attorney showed up shortly after the incident and was encouraging potential witnesses not to cooperate with the police. What’s Latin for “snitches get stitches”? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/26 "2010-11-10T16:23:50Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Bobby Tillman was stomped to death by these 4 guys. > > Must have been from a different fraternity. Couldn’t have been any racism involved. Yeah, I bet it was a bunch of white Delta Tau Delta lacrosse players from Emory University… > [@MEBuckner](#): > > You mean black-on-black racism? > > [Article with photo of Bobby Tillman](http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/09/georgia.teen.beaten/index.html?hpt=T2). > > [Article with photos (mug shots) of the four men suspected of killing him](http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/11/four_arrested_in_teens_death_a.html). WHHAAAA???!!?!:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/27 "2010-11-10T17:05:04Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Beating a man to death, even with help, is not a fast process - that’s why we invented weapons, after all. What has to be going through your mind to convince you that carrying through to the end is a good idea? Latest word is that a broken rib penetrated his heart, which could have come from a single stomp. Even if not, people _have_ died from one-punch fights. It sometimes is a fast process. More to the point, real humans cannot always endure the amazing violence they routinely survive in films and television. I suspect a lot of killers, lacking both imagination and education, didn’t have _any idea_ whacking someone on the head (or whatever) would flat-out kill them, and were surprised. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/28 "2010-11-10T18:19:13Z")
I don’t think anyone suggests a lot of thinking occurred. Violent kids went overboard and will pay for the rest of their lives. It is sad. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/29 "2010-11-10T21:37:14Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I don’t think anyone suggests a lot of thinking occurred. Violent kids went overboard and will pay for the rest of their lives. It is sad. It’s sad for the victim. I hope the assailants ride a needle, and that those who stood by and watched it happen are haunted for the rest of their lives for their part in this. Tragic, and disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/30 "2010-11-10T21:52:11Z")
I really hate to turn this into a debate on the death penalty (it’s been done ad nauseum and no arguments are likely to be original or convincing) but don’t death sentences require premeditation as an element of the murder charge in the case? From the “facts” of the story, this has no element of premeditation. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/31 "2010-11-10T21:56:31Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > I really hate to turn this into a debate on the death penalty (it’s been done ad nauseum and no arguments are likely to be original or convincing) but don’t death sentences require premeditation as an element of the charge of murder in the case? From the “facts” of the story, this has no element of premeditation. I was wondering about that myself. But since they made a conscious decision to beat the guy up, I’d bet that counts. More lawyerly types will, I’m sure, clear this up. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/32 "2010-11-10T22:04:17Z")
Dunno. That guy in CT who just got the DP; did he and his partner in crime plan on killing that lady and her daughter beforehand, or just plan to rob them? ---
**Author:** ![hansel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@hansel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hansel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/33 "2010-11-10T23:07:35Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Dunno. That guy in CT who just got the DP; did he and his partner in crime plan on killing that lady and her daughter beforehand, or just plan to rob them? When you’re talking felony murder, I think that the intent to commit the felony counts as the intent to commit murder. I believe that if I shoot you in the course of a premeditated armed robbery I’m committing against you, it’s legally identical to me planning to shoot you. The concept is that you’re responsible for the direct consequences of your illegal act. ---
**Author:** ![hansel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@hansel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hansel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/34 "2010-11-10T23:15:01Z")
[Felony murder](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule) ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/35 "2010-11-10T23:17:56Z")
> [@hansel](#): > > When you’re talking felony murder, I think that the intent to commit the felony counts as the intent to commit murder. I believe that if I shoot you in the course of a premeditated armed robbery I’m committing against you, it’s legally identical to me planning to shoot you. The concept is that you’re responsible for the direct consequences of your illegal act. IANAL but IIRC felony murder is when someone unintentionally dies during the comission of a felony. For example, if someone has a heart attack while you are robbing the bank. Manslaughter is when someone dies as a direct result of an action that wasn’t intended to kill but had malice aforethought. Like tossing a brick off the overpass. That would be the case in this situation. These four retards probably weren’t trying to kill the kid, but they were committing a dangerous and illegal action that nevertheless resulted in his death. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/36 "2010-11-11T04:32:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Dunno. That guy in CT who just got the DP; did he and his partner in crime plan on killing that lady and her daughter beforehand, or just plan to rob them? Sure, but the cretins in the CT case, I believe, had all the family members bound (so as to prevent the disruption of their burglary) and _then_ killed them, seemingly unnecessarily. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/37 "2010-11-11T04:36:23Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > IANAL but IIRC felony murder is when someone unintentionally dies during the comission of a felony. For example, if someone has a heart attack while you are robbing the bank. > > Manslaughter is when someone dies as a direct result of an action that wasn’t intended to kill but had malice aforethought. Like tossing a brick off the overpass. That would be the case in this situation. These four retards probably weren’t trying to kill the kid, but they were committing a dangerous and illegal action that nevertheless resulted in his death. But doesn’t the heart attack have to be demonstrably attributed to the bank robbery? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/38 "2010-11-11T06:08:02Z")
> [@hansel](#): > > When you’re talking felony murder, I think that the intent to commit the felony counts as the intent to commit murder. I believe that if I shoot you in the course of a premeditated armed robbery I’m committing against you, it’s legally identical to me planning to shoot you. The concept is that you’re responsible for the direct consequences of your illegal act. :smack: Was my brain fart smelly as well? Sorry 'bout that! ---
**Author:** ![Commissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@Commissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Commissar)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/39 "2010-11-11T07:38:49Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > I really hate to turn this into a debate on the death penalty (it’s been done ad nauseum and no arguments are likely to be original or convincing) but don’t death sentences require premeditation as an element of the murder charge in the case? From the “facts” of the story, this has no element of premeditation. If I remember correctly, there have been at least a couple cases in which premeditation was found on the basis of the handful of seconds that elapsed between the killer’s decision to kill and the killing itself. Ultimately, the better argument is lack of intent rather than lack of premeditation, though both should, of course, be used by defense counsel. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016/40 "2010-11-12T03:53:15Z")
Quantez? Seriously? Does the African American community just throw random letters together now when naming their children? Every person does not need a unique name people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/party-gets-out-of-hand-kills-stranger/560016.md?page=3)