# Pastafarian denied rights **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 17, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastafarian-denied-rights/819777 "2018-08-17T12:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastafarian-denied-rights/819777/61 "2018-08-21T10:01:34Z")
> [@MarvinKitFox](#): > > Well, I used to be a staunch supported of Pastafarianism, > but recently I’ve been diagnosed with gluten intolerance. > . > So, the Big Question is: > Are HIS noodley appendages gluten-free, or not? > . > . > . > . > And can one die of laughter-induced self-injury or not? The gluten-free Pasta that you eat, and the vegan non-GMO Sauce with which it slithers down, are gifts from Him. Not fake or imitation gifts like a soul, but true gifts like lunch. That is why it is said that when you eat of them, you are experiencing His Real Presents. If you need proof, I’m sure all this can be substantiated. And that substantiation would reach you by being transported across the Internet, so it’s not just any substantiation - it’s transubstantiation. Also, yes, you might start laughing, trip on a colander, and fall headfirst into a pot of boiling water. So, be careful - use your Noodle. ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastafarian-denied-rights/819777/62 "2018-08-21T12:06:17Z")
If the Italian restaurant delivery guy has to use the subway to reach you, is that trainsubstantiation? ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastafarian-denied-rights/819777/63 "2018-08-21T13:25:38Z")
> [@Dandan](#): > > If the Italian restaurant delivery guy has to use the subway to reach you, is that trainsubstantiation? No. He would, in such a situation, use a pot to carry the food. So it’s trains-potting. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastafarian-denied-rights/819777/64 "2018-08-22T04:53:57Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > But I would say that we can safely presume that Christians believe in Jesus etc. > > What oercentage of Pastafarians do you suppose literally believe in the FSM? Like, actually believe He exists? I’d say as a general guess, zero. Talk about pointing out the obvious. :dubious: The FSM is a SHE (duh). All depictions show meatballs, yes; and meatballs _can_ be interpreted as representing testicles. But they can also represent ovaries. And you never see a depiction with, say, an Italian sausage. Q.E.D., I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastafarian-denied-rights/819777/65 "2018-08-22T09:26:27Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I think it’s a misleading case because “Muslim” is not just a belief system, it encompasses a cultural/ethnic identity. No, it doesn’t. In, fact, universalism is a core value of Islam. You can belong to any culture or ethnicity and be a Muslim. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastafarian-denied-rights/819777/66 "2018-08-22T09:38:39Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Of course not. The “monolithic” part is a description of racism, not reality. > > But to the vast majority of Muslims, their religious beliefs and their (various) cultural identities are deeply intertwined - largely because the level of religiosity among Muslims is extremely high, the notion of a “secular Muslim” analogous to a secular Jew is rare. There’s no “secular Muslim” precisely because Islam isn’t tied to any particular ethnic or cultural group. You can be a (cultural) Jew without believing in Judaism. But you can’t be a Muslim and not a Muslim at the same time, because Islam is solely a religion. If you become “secular”, you stop being “Muslim” (same as Christianism). Of course, traditional religion and traditional culture are intertwined. Everywhere. They’re intertwined in Senegal and they’re intertwined in Indonesia. But a Wolof Muslim doesn’t have the same culture at all as an Indonesian Muslim. There’s no independant “Muslim culture”. You can be a secular Wolof or a secular Indonesian (culture), but you can’t be a secular Muslim (religion). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastafarian-denied-rights/819777.md?page=3)