# Pastor to the AR 15 Protester.. Sickening **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 28, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004 "2009-08-28T06:27:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Maia\_s\_Well](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Maia\_s\_Well](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maia_s_Well)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/21 "2009-08-28T21:46:50Z")
I suppose it’s silly to ask, but, Barney Franks arrested for sex with teenagers? Is there any grain of truth in this? Also, anyone got a cite for this preacher’s tasing thing? Hm. Re-reading what I just wrote shows me who I find more credible… ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/22 "2009-08-28T21:56:47Z")
> [@Maia\_s\_Well](#): > > I suppose it’s silly to ask, but, Barney Franks arrested for sex with teenagers? No. He had an affair with a prostitute, and was reprimanded by the House. The prostitute was of age, and Frank was never arrested. > [@](#): > > Back in 1985, Frank had engaged the services of a male escort named Stephen Gobie, who had advertised his “hot bottom” in a personal ad. Over the next two years, while Frank was trying to decide whether to come out, he and Gobie carried on a clandestine affair, during which time Frank hired Gobie as a driver despite knowing Gobie was on probation for drug possession and for possession of child pornography. Frank used his House privileges to fix Gobie’s parking tickets. He wrote a memo trying to clear Gobie from probation that was disingenuous at best and an outright deception at worst. Gobie repaid Frank by running a prostitution service out of Frank’s Capitol Hill apartment. When Frank discovered this, he fired Gobie and ended their relationship. Then, in 1989, just two years after Frank’s announcement that he was gay, Gobie told his story to the conservative Washington Times. From [The Boston Globe](http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2005/10/02/to_be_frank/). ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/23 "2009-08-28T22:15:49Z")
I guess it’s true what they say. When you have Obama, everything looks like a snail. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/24 "2009-08-28T22:25:23Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > I guess it’s true what they say. When you have Obama, everything looks like a snail. As awful as this was, it still took me twenty minutes to come up with. I couldn’t think of anything with “glamour,” and “psalmer” isn’t a real word. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/25 "2009-08-28T22:30:07Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > No. I’m not clicking on your stupid video link. I’ve got porn to watch and a finite amount of time in the day…Motherfucker. I haven’t read the rest of the thread yet, but gawddammit that would be a great sig…I bet those mod booted Jacks, er, jack booted Mods won’t let me use it, though…☹ ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/26 "2009-08-28T22:32:53Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > When you have Obama, everything looks like a snail. Someone oughta slug you for that. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/27 "2009-08-28T22:49:39Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > I guess it’s true what they say. When you have Obama, everything looks like a snail. I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/28 "2009-08-28T22:55:10Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I haven’t read the rest of the thread yet, but gawddammit that would be a great sig…I bet those mod booted Jacks, er, jack booted Mods won’t let me use it, though…☹ No, we won’t-otherwise _I’d_ be using it. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/29 "2009-08-28T23:06:26Z")
I see this an an interesting political problem. Technically, it appears to me that this preacher is clearly a partisan advocate. Therefore, his church may not qualify for tax-exempt status under existing law. However, if Obama encourages, or possibly even just allows the Justice Department and/or IRS to investigate and attempt to remove said tax exempt status, the GoP has a public relations bonanza…Obama is anti-God! Of course, if he goes after this guy and also goes after James Wright, and wins both cases, he can demonstrate neutral application of the law to neutralize the GoP counter-spin… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/30 "2009-08-28T23:10:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No, we won’t-otherwise _I’d_ be using it. “Mod wants to use my sig” is a pretty lame sig. Thanks for nothin’. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/31 "2009-08-29T00:07:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t get it. It’s a variation on the saying: If all that you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/32 "2009-08-29T00:10:06Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > It’s a variation on the saying: > > If all that you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. It’s even better now that I know this, 'cause I say “Obama” like “Obamma”! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/33 "2009-08-29T00:28:44Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > It’s a variation on the saying: > > If all that you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. “Obamma” “Hamma” “Snail” “Nail” [Spock] Ah. [/Spock] ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/34 "2009-08-29T01:48:07Z")
[Quote=Steve Anderson] … But I’m here to tell you tonight, that God is a God of wrath and vengeance. And that’s the message that oughta be thundering from every pulpit in America today. People oughta be trembling today. People in America oughta be scared to death and trembling! And saying, ‘Oh God! What are you gonna do to our country?! Oh, God! Are we gonna be able to survive?! Oh, God! Are you gonna allow us to go into the depths of socialism, and communism with Barack Obama!?’ [/Quote] You know, if you imagine this in Samuel L. Jackson’s voice, it sound awesome. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/35 "2009-08-29T04:49:58Z")
> [@Maia\_s\_Well](#): > > I suppose it’s silly to ask, but, Barney Franks arrested for sex with teenagers? Is there any grain of truth in this? You may be confusing Barney Frank with the Massachusetts Democrat who was caught up in the [Congressional Page scandal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Congressional_page_sex_scandal) of the early 80s: [Gerry Studds](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds). In 1983 Studds admitted to having had an affair with a 17 yo page in 1973, and was censured for it. There was no arrest, as the relationship, while improper by most standards, did not get into statutory rape territory. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/36 "2009-08-29T15:57:27Z")
[QUOTE=Oakminster] I see this an an interesting political problem. Technically, it appears to me that this preacher is clearly a partisan advocate. Therefore, his church may not qualify for tax-exempt status under existing law. However, if Obama encourages, or possibly even just allows the Justice Department and/or IRS to investigate and attempt to remove said tax exempt status, the GoP has a public relations bonanza…Obama is anti-God! Of course, if he goes after this guy and also goes after James Wright, and wins both cases, he can demonstrate neutral application of the law to neutralize the GoP counter-spin… [/QUOTE] Clergy is allowed to be partisan and preach for or against certain policies, they just can’t endorse specific candidates. Obama even had a town hall with clergy members in order to get them to advocate for health care reform. I don’t see any legal problem with what this preacher said (disgusting as it may be), nor with anything Wright said. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/37 "2009-08-29T16:15:55Z")
> [@C3](#): > > Clergy is allowed to be partisan and preach for or against certain policies, they just can’t endorse specific candidates. Obama even had a town hall with clergy members in order to get them to advocate for health care reform. I don’t see any legal problem with what this preacher said (disgusting as it may be), nor with anything Wright said. Besides, everybody knows Jeremiah was a bullfrog and, therefore, cannot simply be melted. Thanks for this information; I thought this was the way the law worked. ---
**Author:** ![Maia\_s\_Well](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Maia\_s\_Well](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maia_s_Well)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/38 "2009-08-29T16:20:22Z")
> [@OtakuLoki](#): > > You may be confusing Barney Frank with the Massachusetts Democrat who was caught up in the [Congressional Page scandal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Congressional_page_sex_scandal) of the early 80s: [Gerry Studds](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds). In 1983 Studds admitted to having had an affair with a 17 yo page in 1973, and was censured for it. There was no arrest, as the relationship, while improper by most standards, did not get into statutory rape territory. Thanks for the information. I wasn’t confusing this, though. I was asking because of the section of the preacher’s statements that said Frank was arrested. I’m thinking he was the one is “confused” about the two stories. I would send your cite to the preacherman, if I thought there was a snowcone’s chance in Hell that it would do any good.😉 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/39 "2009-08-30T06:44:31Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > You know, if you imagine this in Samuel L. Jackson’s voice, it sound awesome. I heard it in Karl Malden’s voice, and thought how much the man could benefit from a quiet afternoon outdoors with Haley Mills. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004/40 "2009-08-31T15:10:20Z")
I read today that this nutter is now using his house of worship to wish his God would give Barack Obama brain cancer, Kennedy-style. Now here’s something I don’t understand: when decent human beings criticized the scum Bush for invading countries on false pretenses and having their citizens imprisoned and tortured, the decent human beings were shouted down and marginalized as freedom-hating terrorists and such by these mad Republicans. Now these same mad Republicans are wishing death on Obama not because of things he actually did and deserves the blame for (the way Bush deserves the blame for all the dead and maimed and widowed and orphaned and ruined and tortured in Iraq), but because Obama’s victory made Glenn Beck cry? Have I got the American political dynamic down pat? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastor-to-the-ar-15-protester-sickening/508004.md?page=3)