# Pastry and meat combos are horrible **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 21, 2012, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720 "2012-12-21T08:36:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/41 "2012-12-21T21:17:25Z")
> [@grude](#): > > I’ve never had one of these abominations that tasted good, they all resemble either something a gradeschooler thought up or something an intoxicated person thought tasted good. > > I think the first place these showed up was the McGriddle which was horrible and roundly derided, only to have it become a trend a few year later with donut bun burgers and fried chicken and waffles. > > Is the only reason these exist the morbid curiosity of the consumers who buy them? McGriddles were _ **never** _ quote-unquote “roundly derided” because, in fact, they are fucking delicious. The rest of your **lies** are equally easily dispatched. In addition to the bacon, egg & cheeze biscuit, there is also beef wellington and pretzel dogs. All of these are God’s own repasts. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/42 "2012-12-21T21:37:41Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > McGriddles were _ **never** _ quote-unquote “roundly derided” because, in fact, they are fucking delicious. > > The rest of your **lies** are equally easily dispatched. In addition to the bacon, egg & cheeze biscuit, there is also beef wellington and pretzel dogs. All of these are God’s own repasts. Marry me. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Burro\_Buenmozo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@El\_Burro\_Buenmozo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Burro_Buenmozo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/43 "2012-12-21T22:36:14Z")
Never tried a lamb samosa, have you? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/44 "2012-12-21T22:48:47Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > Not wanting to sound racist, but I for some reason want to associate the chicken&waffles combo with black cuisine (that would be the “soul food” category, right?). Soul food is poor to working class Southern food. I’m white and was raised on the stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/45 "2012-12-21T23:41:03Z")
What’s a pretzel dog? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/46 "2012-12-21T23:54:51Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > McGriddles were _ **never** _ quote-unquote “roundly derided” because, in fact, they are fucking delicious. I used to respect your opinion, but now I just… I just can’t. So corn dogs are simply the food of the gods. I have no idea whose idea it was to take mystery meat then wrap it in fried batter, but I do know that man or woman was a genius. As far as real food goes, come on! This OP is coming from someone who has clearly never had an empanada, Caribbean style patty, samosa, pierogi, or any other variation of meat inside of a bready thing. These things are freaking delicious. A few weeks ago I had a chicken bastilla dish, which basically a flaky sweetbread with chicken and an egg inside, that completely rocked my socks. Damn it, now I’m hungry. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/47 "2012-12-22T00:53:05Z")
> [@Ephemera](#): > > Soul food is poor to working class Southern food. I’m white and was raised on the stuff. Thanks for the info. I grew up in a nearly all-white area of the Pacific Northwest, and tend to see soul food restaurants in predominantly black neighborhoods where I live now, so apparently made a mistaken association between the cuisine and the ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/48 "2012-12-22T00:57:52Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > What’s a pretzel dog? [Pretzel dog.](https://www.google.com/search?q=pretzel+dog&num=20&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=active&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=aAXVUPSVDNCcrQGczoDIDw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAA&biw=1600&bih=736) ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/49 "2012-12-22T01:26:29Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > As far as real food goes, come on! This OP is coming from someone who has clearly never had an empanada, Caribbean style patty, samosa, pierogi, or any other variation of meat inside of a bready thing. These things are freaking delicious. A few weeks ago I had a chicken bastilla dish, which basically a flaky sweetbread with chicken and an egg inside, that completely rocked my socks. > > Damn it, now I’m hungry. :mad: Psst I live in Trinidad there are guys driving around with baskets on bikes selling beef pies, which again are fillo dough not even close to a donut or pancake. Meat in BREAD is about the farthest thing from a donut burger I can imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/50 "2012-12-22T01:41:37Z")
So, then, you agree that your OP’s statement that ‘meat + pastry is horrible’ is ridiculous? Because filo? That’s pastry. Donuts and pancakes? They are not. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/51 "2012-12-22T01:56:06Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > So, then, you agree that your OP’s statement that ‘meat + pastry is horrible’ is ridiculous? > > Because filo? That’s pastry. > > Donuts and pancakes? They are not. Yeah, the subject line of the OP is quite contrary to the content, but it’s pretty easy to suss out what **grude** is on about: the combination of bread-like items that are usually sweet or associated with sweet with savory middles. The Krispy Kreme donut is overkill, but those maple pancakes with sausage in the middle? Those are decent. I’ve never heard of them as being “roundly derided.” The only reason I don’t order them more often if I’m at McDonald’s at breakfast is because I’m a straight-up Egg McMuffin kind of guy, and it saves me over a hundred calories vs any of the McGriddles they offer. Like I said, I used to make my own version of them as a kid with pancakes, breakfast links, and maple syrup. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/52 "2012-12-22T02:01:22Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > So, then, you agree that your OP’s statement that ‘meat + pastry is horrible’ is ridiculous? > > Because filo? That’s pastry. > > Donuts and pancakes? They are not. I didn’t know how else to describe the horrifying trend destroying western civilization. Meat+desert foods? Meat+maplesyrup pancakes waffles and donuts? Help me out. EDIT:Did they alter the McGriddle? > **[McGriddles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGriddles)** > > The McGriddles sandwich (colloquial singular form McGriddle) is a type of breakfast sandwich sold by the international fast food restaurant chain McDonald's. Introduced in 2003, it is available in the following markets: United States, Canada, Japan, Guatemala, Mexico, Philippines, Singapore and Hong Kong. > The standard McGriddles sandwich consists of fried bacon, a scrambled egg flap,\[clarification needed\] and American cheese between two maple-flavored griddle pancakes embossed with the McDona... When I tried it the buns had pockets of liquid maple syrup in spots, you’d bite into one and the syrup would squirt into your mouth like a pustule or something. It also made the buns soggy, seems they removed the worst element. ---
**Author:** ![brainstall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@brainstall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brainstall)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/53 "2012-12-22T02:08:53Z")
Count me in as one of the people who loves the McGriddle. I know its horrible, and I couldn’t eat one every day, but if I’m having a MickyD breakfast, that’s what I’m ordering. At home, pancakes with real maple syrup and bacon are a weekend treat. Swirling the bacon through the tiny bit of maple syrup that escapes from the pancake just adds a layer of delicious. Meat and pastry… I don’t understand the objection. So many yummy ways to combine them. Jamaican Patties, Beef Wellington, Cornish pasties… ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/54 "2012-12-22T02:20:59Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > A few weeks ago I had a chicken bastilla dish, which basically a flaky sweetbread with chicken and an egg inside, that completely rocked my socks. OK. Gotta find that. 🆒 ETA: [crap, I can do this! Thanks!](http://moroccoboard.com/viewpoint/361-nora-fitzgerald/5346-moroccan-chicken-bastila-step-by-step-recipe-) ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/55 "2012-12-22T02:48:10Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > What’s a pretzel dog? First you take a hot dog. Then you lovingly ensconce it in a soft pretzel. Then you add mustard and WALLAH exquisitely simple genius! ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/56 "2012-12-22T03:09:15Z")
Empanadas! Crepes! Runzas! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/57 "2012-12-22T03:34:09Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > I > > As far as real food goes, come on! This OP is coming from someone who has clearly never had an empanada, Caribbean style patty, samosa, pierogi, or any other variation of meat inside of a bready thing. These things are freaking delicious. A few weeks ago I had a chicken bastilla dish, which basically a flaky sweetbread with chicken and an egg inside, that completely rocked my socks. > > Damn it, now I’m hungry. :mad: I get pierogies on Tuesday. Homemade. From my Polish grandmother’s recipe. 😛 (Only these have mashed potatos and onions) Still…best food ever. Seriously. You’d weep. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/58 "2012-12-22T04:16:29Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > First you take a hot dog. Then you lovingly ensconce it in a soft pretzel. Then you add mustard and WALLAH exquisitely simple genius! That sounds like it would work. I think I’d want to play with the salt proportions, though…most hot dogs seem plenty salty to me. I was picturing something along the lines of a giant pretzel rod, inserted into a hot dog (the long way) and then possibly batter coated and deep fried. Something like a corn dog with an edible stick. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/59 "2012-12-22T15:51:03Z")
Wait a minute! There are people in this world who eat bacon with out first dipping it in the maple syrup? Wow… Also, I love the Mcgriddles. I had no idea there was much hate for them. ---
**Author:** ![Gymnopithys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/fbc32d/32.png) [@Gymnopithys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gymnopithys)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/60 "2012-12-22T17:08:09Z")
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