# Pastry and meat combos are horrible **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 21, 2012, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720 "2012-12-21T08:36:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/61 "2012-12-22T17:43:59Z")
In Seattle at Pike Place Market there is a joint called Mee Sum Pastry that sells Hom Bow which is basically a sweat breadroll with a meat filling, Been eating that for over 20 years. just down the way a bit is Piroshky Piroshky (spelling might be off on that one) that sells a variety of meat/pastry dishes…might I recommend you stop calling McDonalds food and try someplace else? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/62 "2012-12-22T18:12:03Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Yeah, the subject line of the OP is quite contrary to the content, but it’s pretty easy to suss out what **grude** is on about: the combination of bread-like items that are usually sweet or associated with sweet with savory middles. The Krispy Kreme donut is overkill, but those maple pancakes with sausage in the middle? I see. I noticed the OP denounced pastry/meat combos are terrible, then went on to name some of the worst examples that exist. I can agree that terrible pastry/meat combos are terrible, yes. I’m not going to eat a doughnut burger any time soon, but I will go to town on many, many other combos. One of life’s great joys is swirling my syrupy pancake around in savory egg yolk. Tis the reason I always order eggs sunny side up. ---
**Author:** ![SerafinaPekala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@SerafinaPekala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SerafinaPekala)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/63 "2012-12-22T18:22:32Z")
Marie Callender’s Chicken Pot Pies are oh-so-tasty but the fat content? Off the charts. Notice that the nutritional info is PER SERVING and they state “2 servings per container”. I dont know about you, but the entire 16.5 oz pie is what I eat! nomnomnom … Oofff… "Products Marie Callender’s Chicken Pot Pie (16.5 oz) Nutrition Facts Serving Size: 1 cup Servings Per Container: 2 Amount Per Serving Calories 510.0 Total Calories 1020 Total Fat 31 g Saturated Fat 8 g Trans Fat 0 g Cholesterol 30 mg Sodium 850 mg Potassium 0 mg Total Carbohydrate 43 g Dietary Fiber 3 g Sugars 5 g Protein 14 g Vitamin A 15.0% Calcium 2.0% Iron 10.0% - Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily vailues may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs." [http://www.foodfacts.com/NutritionFacts/Prepared-Meals/Marie-Callenders-Chicken-Pot-Pie--oz/9757](http://www.foodfacts.com/NutritionFacts/Prepared-Meals/Marie-Callenders-Chicken-Pot-Pie--oz/9757) ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/64 "2012-12-22T20:14:02Z")
Pirogies, made by a Greek, Russian or Polish deli. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Beastly\_Rotter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@Beastly\_Rotter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beastly_Rotter)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/65 "2012-12-22T23:12:35Z")
Freshly made [gyoza](http://www.japan-guide.com/r/e107.html), all hot and steamy with pork garlic goodness then drenched in [ponzu](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzu) goodness. If you can’t find ponzu, just mix a good soy and fresh lime juice. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/66 "2012-12-22T23:40:08Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Is chicken and waffles fried chicken with a side of waffles, which sounds delicious, or chicken wrapped in a waffle with syrup, which sounds messy? It’s not chicken on the side. It’s chicken and gravy like you’d find in a chicken pot pie, only without any veggies. It’s poured over a waffle and often you can have mashed potatoes with chicken gravy on the side. And they’re not just a Southern thing, either. When I was a kid in Pennsylvania, oh, around 1965, our church would hold an annual carnival and there would be a chicken and waffles dinner. There was always a pretty good turnout for that. My family would make a point of it to go. ---
**Author:** ![papergirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/aca169/32.png) [@papergirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/papergirl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/67 "2012-12-23T02:21:51Z")
One of my favorite homemade foods is savory sausage mixed with Velveeta and scooped into a Hawaiin roll. Sweet bread, fakey cheesy salty savory sausage, heaven! One of those awful-but-wonderful treats I try to not make too often. I like bacon with nothing sweet anywhere near it, but my daughter dips hers in whipped cream. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/68 "2012-12-23T02:41:51Z")
Sounds great! I’d probably replace the Velveeta with something else – not to sound like one of _those people_, but hey, I prefer a sharper cheddar. The point is I would eat the shit out of sausage, sweet bread, and cheese. So I was at the grocery store just now, came across a huge box of corn dogs on sale, and thought of this thread. (Sign #1,058 I spend too much time on the internet.) Oh god, I wanted to buy it so bad, but I dunno, I didn’t want my only two purchases to be vodka and corn dogs. It’s just… unseemly. I know the check-out boy isn’t judging my purchases, but still. Maybe next trip when I’m buying actual food, I can sneak some into the mix. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/69 "2012-12-23T03:48:28Z")
If you get corn dogs, make sure that they are all beef, or at least beef and pork. Stay away from the ones that have chicken or turkey in them. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/70 "2012-12-23T21:02:15Z")
Chicken corn dogs? Pfft, now that is a food that should not exist. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/71 "2012-12-23T21:18:55Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > I didn’t want my only two purchases to be vodka and corn dogs. It’s just… unseemly. I know the check-out boy isn’t judging my purchases, but still. Maybe next trip when I’m buying actual food, I can sneak some into the mix. But it would be incredibly entertaining for whoever was standing in line behind you ( well, it would entertain me 😃 ). I’ve made similar decisions in the past - “hmmm…Kraft Mac & Cheese…haven’t had that in awhile…but all I otherwise have is this case of Coke Zero…I’m going to look like bachelor loser #12 to the checker… oh, well - maybe next time when I’m buying a bunch of fresh vegetables or something.” Our shame weakens us ;). ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/72 "2012-12-23T21:47:12Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Chicken corn dogs? Pfft, now that is a food that should not exist. I’m not sure if the corn dog fails were made of chicken or turkey or both, but they were definitely FAILS. Chicken and turkey hot dogs are bad enough on their own, but making them into corn dogs deserves some sort of punishment. Perhaps forcing the decision maker to live off of those bad, bad dogs for a week or so would be proper. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/73 "2012-12-23T22:05:31Z")
Ok, it’s about time someone straightened things out around here. Pastry is a light, usually flaky dough often containing a filling of some sort. Pie crust (and by extension pie) is the definitive example. Cream puffs and eclairs are pastries. Filo dough is pastry. Puff pastries and vol au vents are pastry. Pancakes are not pastry. Corn bread is not pastry, and neither is a corn dog. Pirogies are not pastries, and neither are gyoza. Doughnuts are a borderline case. Cake doughnuts are definitely not pastry in the general sense (being made from batter, not dough), but doughnuts as a category usually get lumped in together as “breakfast pastries” along with danishes, which _are_ pastries. Obviously, meat pies and meat pastries are a venerable and respected category of food (though underrepresented in American cuisine). They are typically savory. Meat served with a sweet bread (as opposed to sweetbreads, which _are_ meat!) is a separate and largely non-overlapping category. Sweet meats, such as maple sausage or pork ribs with sweet BBQ sauce are something else again, and then there are sweetmeats, which are not meats but candies! ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/74 "2012-12-23T22:18:15Z")
[QUOTE=Lynn Bodoni] I was picturing something along the lines of a giant pretzel rod, inserted into a hot dog (the long way) and then possibly batter coated and deep fried. Something like a corn dog with an edible stick. [/QUOTE] Genius! We are going to be rich. We will put hot dog on a stick out of business. Malls, state fairs we will cover them all. The only question is what to call it. The Bodoni dog? The doper dog? ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/75 "2012-12-24T00:45:21Z")
[Runzas](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runza) are pretty damned tasty. We make them from scratch using the bread maker or sometimes by buying raw pizza dough. ( The bread maker dough is much closer to a real Runza ). Very very lovely thing. ---
**Author:** ![Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce7236/32.png) [@Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mona_Lisa_Simpson)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/76 "2012-12-24T08:10:30Z")
I like McGriddles if I have them without the egg (gah, the powdered “folded egg!”) and cheese. But I have them fairly rarely. Because Egg mcmuffins are the deliciousness, and to me the best thing about a McDo’s breaky is the hash browns. Which is why I only eat there maybe twice a year for breakfast. Once I made my son an Eggs Benedict on a homemade waffle. He only ate half, I had the other half, but took the hollandaise off and poured (real Canadian )maple syrup on it. I just remembered: Sweet potato hash browns with this would be wonderful. ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720/77 "2012-12-25T01:41:02Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > [Runzas](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runza) are pretty damned tasty. We make them from scratch using the bread maker or sometimes by buying raw pizza dough. ( The bread maker dough is much closer to a real Runza ). > > Very very lovely thing. I have never heard of those before but now I want to make them. Like, right now. Even though I am in a hotel room with no kitchen or anything available, I want to find a way to make those. I don’t tend to put maple syrup on anything (mostly because it’s so stupidly high in calories), but my husband made waffles once and put ham and Swiss cheese in some of them and he ate his with syrup. I do like salty and sweet together. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pastry-and-meat-combos-are-horrible/644720.md?page=3)