# Pathetic Jilted Wingnuts Can't Let Go Of Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815 "2018-03-01T14:23:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/81 "2018-03-07T01:01:12Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > Actually, Al Gore believes he [lost because of the Clinton’s](https://pagesix.com/2017/10/01/al-gore-to-skip-25th-anniversary-of-clinton-gore-election/). He lost because of the Clinton’s what? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/82 "2018-03-07T01:18:00Z")
> [@burrunderthe\_saddle](#): > > Actually, Al Gore believes he [lost because of the Clinton’s](https://pagesix.com/2017/10/01/al-gore-to-skip-25th-anniversary-of-clinton-gore-election/). > [@Smapti](#): > > He lost because of the Clinton’s what? Thread in IMHO [Eliminating the apostrophe would improve English](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=850644) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/83 "2018-03-07T16:28:53Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > What the heck _should_ they chant, if they think she should be locked up? They should be protesting outside Sessions’ office, chanting “DO YOUR JOB! INDICT HILLARY! NO, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT FOR, JUST INDICT HER NOW!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/84 "2018-03-07T20:05:59Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s a basic principle of running a con. You find a sucker and convince him that the two of you are going to cheat somebody else out of some money. The sucker is so eager to help you screw somebody else he never sees that you’re planning on screwing him. Trump’s “policies” are basically a series of giant pigeon drops. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/85 "2018-03-07T21:41:20Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The point is that Trump is now President. The Attorney General is a Republican. There are Republican majorities in the House and the Senate. A majority of the Supreme Court are Republican appointees. > > So if Hillary Clinton committed some crime and deserved to be locked up, why isn’t she being investigated and convicted and imprisoned? Why aren’t people yelling at Trump to get do his job and get this dangerous criminal off the streets? I’ll take “because they are all full of shit for a hundred”, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/86 "2018-03-07T21:42:48Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > They are just a lynch mob. How many investigations have the Clintons (Bill and Hillary) been involved in? > > - Whitewater > - Travelgate > - Vince Foster > - Paula Jones/Monica Lewinsky (with Whitewater investigation ran over 4 years and cost nearly $40 million) > - Filegate > - Benghazi (there were 7 separate probes into this) > - Clinton Foundation > - Private email server > > What did republicans get for all this? Bill lying under oath about a blow job. > > Maybe give it a rest already. This. Give it a rest. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/87 "2018-03-08T00:05:33Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I don’t see that it does. I mean, yes, as **Folacin** says, that raises the question of why _Trump_ says it instead of doing it; but it doesn’t tell me why the crowd of folks calling for her to be locked up would do anything other than call for her to be locked up. > > What the heck _should_ they chant, if they think she should be locked up? Nothing. That’s the point. They should see that the guy who could do something about it is still just trying to get them to chant–meaning he has no intention of doing it, and their chants are entirely useless. Before, they at least might have had some belief that their chant would help get their guy elected so he would then do want they wanted. But that is no longer the case. And as time goes on without them finding anything to lock her up for, it becomes clearer and clearer that they need to change their minds and not care about her being locked up. And, since she’s not actually influencing anything, locking her up accomplishes nothing. If the people crying about Bush had kept on trying to get him locked up after it was clear that wasn’t going to happen, I’d also think they were getting stupider, by the same logic in that previous paragraph. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/88 "2018-03-08T02:31:31Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And, since she’s not actually influencing anything, locking her up accomplishes nothing. Wait, what? I was nodding at the rest of your reply. “Wow,” I thought, “I think I get where you’re coming from.” And then, all of a sudden — _this?_ If I think someone has committed a crime for which they should be locked up, I don’t ask whether that person is ‘actually influencing anything’; I just want them locked up. And if I think someone _hasn’t_ committed a crime for which they should be locked up, I don’t ask whether that person is ‘actually influencing anything’; why would I? Why the heck would that be relevant? What is that sentence even doing there? ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/89 "2018-03-08T08:32:32Z")
But if they would find something against Hillary, trump won’t get her locked up. He wants more chanting mobs than her being in jail. Heck, trump rather pardons her. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/90 "2018-03-14T15:42:40Z")
Hillary re-demonstrates her contempt for middle America and women (the ones who didn’t vote for her because they obviously were under men’s domination), in a speech in Mumbai: _“If you look at the map of the United States, there is all that red in the middle, places where Trump won. What that map doesn’t show you is that I won the places that own two thirds of America’s Gross Domestic product. I won the places that are optimistic, diverse, dynamic, moving forward. And his whole campaign, Make America Great Again, was looking backwards. You don’t like black people getting rights, you don’t like women getting jobs, you don’t want to see that Indian American succeeding more than you are, whatever that problem is, I am going to solve it… We do not do well with white men and we don’t do well with married, white women. And part of that is an identification with the Republican Party, and a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way that your husband, your boss, your son, whoever, believes you should.”_ As one commentator noted, Bill Clinton would never have said anything as politically stupid and self-defeating as this. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/91 "2018-03-14T15:46:45Z")
Was she wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/92 "2018-03-14T15:49:48Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Hillary re-demonstrates her contempt for middle America and women (the ones who didn’t vote for her because they obviously were under men’s domination), in a speech in Mumbai: > > _“If you look at the map of the United States, there is all that red in the middle, places where Trump won. What that map doesn’t show you is that I won the places that own two thirds of America’s Gross Domestic product. I won the places that are optimistic, diverse, dynamic, moving forward. And his whole campaign, Make America Great Again, was looking backwards. You don’t like black people getting rights, you don’t like women getting jobs, you don’t want to see that Indian American succeeding more than you are, whatever that problem is, I am going to solve it… > We do not do well with white men and we don’t do well with married, white women. And part of that is an identification with the Republican Party, and a sort of ongoing pressure to vote the way that your husband, your boss, your son, whoever, believes you should.”_ > > As one commentator noted, Bill Clinton would never have said anything as politically stupid and self-defeating as this. Yeah, that’s a strange thing to say. I’ll be sure to vote against her in the election that she is a candidate in. Oh wait. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/93 "2018-03-14T15:55:50Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > As near as I could tell, the whole scandal from “Travelgate” was that the Clinton’s go rid of people who’d been doing the job under the (3) prior Republican administrations and replaced them with…_gasp_…Democrats. These days don’t they call that “draining the swamp”? No, there was more to it than that. The White House Travel Office isn’t supposed to be a political appointment, and Hillary didn’t fire the staff (and bring some bogus charges against the head of it - he was acquitted, but the legal bills ruined him) because she wanted Democrats - she was handing off a perk to one of her cronies who owned a travel business. It was the sort of petty, semi-legal graft she was accustomed to from Arkansas, as was her lying about knowing anything about it. It wasn’t “draining the swamp”, it was just a different alligator in charge. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/94 "2018-03-14T16:24:38Z")
We should definitely investigate that. Oh wait - we did. Conclusion: Hillary lied but did nothing indictable, and Independent Counsel investigations were ineffectual partisan exercises. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/95 "2018-03-14T16:32:44Z")
Ray’s acquittal hardly means the charges were bogus. But of course you know what the charges were and what the evidence was, based on your thorough research, so there’s no need to remind you. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/96 "2018-03-14T16:36:25Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > …she was handing off a perk to one of her cronies who owned a travel business. Not saying I like this in politics but was that a new thing Clinton invented? Seems to me throwing juicy jobs to supporters has always been a part of politics. The issue is where the line is drawn. Ambassador to Bermuda…ok (as a gimme to a supporter). Ambassador to Germany, not ok (should go to a career diplomat with decades of experience). ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/97 "2018-03-14T16:52:00Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Not saying I like this in politics but was that a new thing Clinton invented? Seems to me throwing juicy jobs to supporters has always been a part of politics. The issue is where the line is drawn. Ambassador to Bermuda…ok (as a gimme to a supporter). Ambassador to Germany, not ok (should go to a career diplomat with decades of experience). Right if they had only chosen something with little actual power like, say, [head of the FAA](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375542-axios-trump-wants-longtime-personal-pilot-to-head-faa). ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/98 "2018-03-14T16:55:12Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Wait, what? > > I was nodding at the rest of your reply. “Wow,” I thought, “I think I get where you’re coming from.” And then, all of a sudden — _this?_ > > If I think someone has committed a crime for which they should be locked up, I don’t ask whether that person is ‘actually influencing anything’; I just want them locked up. And if I think someone _hasn’t_ committed a crime for which they should be locked up, I don’t ask whether that person is ‘actually influencing anything’; why would I? > > Why the heck would that be relevant? What is that sentence even doing there? The point is, without any influence, you no longer have the political reason to say this, either. I can’t just cover the “true believers” in why it is (increasingly) stupid. I also have to cover those who would say it for political advantage by pointing out there isn’t any. If she had influence, then someone could argue these guys really are smart, pretending to care to try and hobble her politically. That is actually the main reason that it wasn’t quite so stupid during the election. It didn’t matter whether you believed it or not. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/99 "2018-03-14T17:04:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, there was more to it than that. The White House Travel Office isn’t supposed to be a political appointment, and Hillary didn’t fire the staff (and bring some bogus charges against the head of it - he was acquitted, but the legal bills ruined him) because she wanted Democrats - she was handing off a perk to one of her cronies who owned a travel business. It was the sort of petty, semi-legal graft she was accustomed to from Arkansas, as was her lying about knowing anything about it. > > It wasn’t “draining the swamp”, it was just a different alligator in charge. > > Regards, > Shodan When you see a Democratic president fail to condemn the Russians for assassinating people on the soil of our staunchest ally, then you might have a leg to stand on. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815/100 "2018-03-14T19:14:56Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > We should definitely investigate that. Oh wait - we did. World Wide Travel was one of the biggest operations in the travel biz, and therefore a good choice to take over the role on nearly no notice once the embezzler who had run it got fired (oh, quit pretending). They were certainly a better choice than two Montana buddies with no actual company were to take on repairing Puerto Rico’s power grid. Should a qualified firm or person be \*barred \*from government contracts just because they know somebody? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pathetic-jilted-wingnuts-cant-let-go-of-hillary/809815.md?page=6)