# Patrick Kane Rape Allegation **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195 "2015-08-06T22:00:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/261 "2015-09-23T21:22:58Z")
You know, some of us are of the belief that we do not know if Kane is guilty or not and that we do not know if the woman making the accusation is a victim or a victimizer. Some of us are not willing to presume knowledge of who is telling the truth and accept that some of those who are guilty need to be let go free and treated as if never accused in order to prevent the greater harm of falsely punishing those who are not guilty. But we can all agree that **dalej42** is a despicable waste of protoplasm. _Dang_ this is either one devoted troll or one sick fucker … or both. Nice when someone brings people together like this! A uniter he is! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/262 "2015-09-23T21:27:30Z")
_NOT a fan of the ladies._ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/263 "2015-09-23T22:05:24Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > XXXXXXXXX is the name of the woman accusing Patrick Kane. Thomas Eoannou clearly displayed her name on the evidence bag in the press conference. [Moderating] This is absolutely inappropriate, and you should damn well know it. I’m giving you a warning, here. Do it again, and the next one won’t just be a warning. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/265 "2015-09-24T11:40:10Z")
> [@Kane\_is\_a\_rapist](#): > > Patrick Kane is a scumbag. He totally raped that poor girl and is now paying people to tamper with the evidence here in Buffalo becaue he is GUILTY. Remember he’s the who needs to provide a defense counsel. And I if you need any more evidence to know that he’s a rapist just look a picturing of Pat Kane for fuck sake. Finally, someone for dalej42 to spend his life with! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/266 "2015-09-24T12:22:23Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Finally, someone for dalej42 to spend his life with! What amazes me is that no one can sound like the opposite of dalej42 without being an obvious troll. But dalej42 is serious. How a person gets that far out of whack is a question for the ages. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/267 "2015-09-24T13:04:43Z")
Well, how can you really trust the word of someone named XXXXXXXXX? Although XXX would be even more suspicious… ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/268 "2015-09-24T14:42:36Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Finally, someone for dalej42 to spend his life with! Stinky, is that you? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/269 "2015-09-24T15:23:04Z")
> [@Kane\_is\_a\_rapist](#): > > Patrick Kane is a scumbag. He totally raped that poor girl and is now paying people to tamper with the evidence here in Buffalo becaue he is GUILTY. Remember he’s the who needs to provide a defense counsel. And I if you need any more evidence to know that he’s a rapist just look a picturing of Pat Kane for fuck sake. I wonder whose sock this is. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/270 "2015-09-24T15:24:33Z")
Don’t be silly. No SDMB regular has grammar that poor. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/271 "2015-09-24T15:41:58Z")
The bit with the rape kit _is_ really odd though and I do wonder how it will shake out. The lawyer faking it and lying? Doubtful as he’d know the evidence will be checked out. The real kit sent to intimidate? The real kit having been tampered with sent by someone intending to whistleblow? And the police department lying that they having the actual real kit? My guess is that someone of **dalej42** ’s ilk, who works at the hospital, is playing a sick prank. If so I hope they are busted and punished to whatever is the maximum allowable by the law. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/272 "2015-09-24T15:45:31Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Don’t be silly. No SDMB regular has grammar that poor. You haven’t seen any of **sweat209** ’s “health question” threads (often about weak bones and joints) then have you? Amazingly posters who can post with normal spelling and grammar suddenly lose that ability when trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/273 "2015-09-24T16:05:05Z")
> [@Kane\_is\_a\_rapist](#): > > Patrick Kane is a scumbag. He totally raped that poor girl and is now paying people to tamper with the evidence here in Buffalo becaue he is GUILTY. Remember he’s the who needs to provide a defense counsel. And I if you need any more evidence to know that he’s a rapist just look a picturing of Pat Kane for fuck sake. If you take the time to make a sock, at least take the time to reread your post. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/274 "2015-09-24T16:08:30Z")
> [@Kane\_is\_a\_rapist](#): > > Patrick Kane is a scumbag. He totally raped that poor girl and is now paying people to tamper with the evidence here in Buffalo becaue he is GUILTY. Remember he’s the who needs to provide a defense counsel. And I if you need any more evidence to know that he’s a rapist just look a picturing of Pat Kane for fuck sake. You’re going to look pretty dumb when you still have that username ten years from now. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/275 "2015-09-24T16:22:31Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The bit with the rape kit _is_ really odd though and I do wonder how it will shake out. > > The lawyer faking it and lying? Doubtful as he’d know the evidence will be checked out. > > The real kit sent to intimidate? The real kit having been tampered with sent by someone intending to whistleblow? And the police department lying that they having the actual real kit? > > My guess is that someone of **dalej42** ’s ilk, who works at the hospital, is playing a sick prank. If so I hope they are busted and punished to whatever is the maximum allowable by the law. I watched the entire press conference. It’s about 15 minutes long. The lawyer said they received the envelope the rape kit came in. Not the rape kit itself. So both could be telling the truth. I know our usual procedures are that the rape kit is done by the nurse. It is contained in a box which she seals up. That box is then placed in an evidence bag. The evidence bag itself does not contain evidence. Later when the rape kit is examined the evidence envelope is opened and can not be reused since the rape kit itself is sealed there is no evidence in the envelope itself. It should be discarded. It is more than troubling that the envelopes were brought to the home of the victim. I don’t know to what purpose. I’m sure there are some pissed off prosecutors and police supervisors trying to find out who made them look bad. But that does not necessarily mean that the chain of evidence was broken or that evidence was tampered with. Even if the evidence was not tampered with it could be used by the defense argue reasonable doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/276 "2015-09-24T17:01:28Z")
For a legal question, doesn’t this effectively mean that the rape kit can’t be introduced as evidence because of the break in the chain of custody? ---
**Author:** ![Anonymous\_611029db27c9df0d53a8d56482d7eac3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Anonymous\_611029db27c9df0d53a8d56482d7eac3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anonymous_611029db27c9df0d53a8d56482d7eac3)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/277 "2015-09-24T17:01:43Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Later when the rape kit is examined the evidence envelope is opened and can not be reused since the rape kit itself is sealed there is no evidence in the envelope itself. It should be discarded. Would it not be prudent to keep the opened envelope with the rest of the evidence box instead of discarding it to prevent precisely this kind of situation? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/278 "2015-09-24T17:16:37Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > For a legal question, doesn’t this effectively mean that the rape kit can’t be introduced as evidence because of the break in the chain of custody? I can’t know for sure but if it was something that temporarily held the rape kit and was replaced with another envelope it would not. The rape kit is sealed and as long as the kit is accounted for at all stages the chain is not broken. The way this happened would most likely be allowed to be brought out in court by the defense to bring into question how the evidence was handled. > [@Anonymous\_611029db27c9df0d53a8d56482d7eac3](#): > > Would it not be prudent to keep the opened envelope with the rest of the evidence box instead of discarding it to prevent precisely this kind of situation? Not an unreasonable thought. It depends on exactly what it contains and their normal procedures. These are all just educated guesses on my part. It could be that there was a horrifically bad blunder instead of a minor one that looks horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/279 "2015-09-24T21:54:22Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The way this happened would most likely be allowed to be brought out in court by the defense to bring into question how the evidence was handled. The perverse thing here, though, is that it’s a _party allied to the prosecution_–that is, the accuser’s lawyer–who has called the evidence into question. It’s difficult to imagine how _anybody_ associated with this case thought that their side would benefit by sending an empty envelope to the accuser’s mother. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/280 "2015-09-24T22:11:35Z")
> [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > The perverse thing here, though, is that it’s a _party allied to the prosecution_–that is, the accuser’s lawyer–who has called the evidence into question. > > It’s difficult to imagine how _anybody_ associated with this case thought that their side would benefit by sending an empty envelope to the accuser’s mother. As an officer of the court I don’t think he had a choice. By calling a press conference he could at least control how the information was presented and also to criticize the prosecution for the horrible leaks coming out about the case. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/281 "2015-09-24T22:20:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You’re going to look pretty dumb when you still have that username ten years from now. Wait. . . You’re saying the username isn’t pure coincidence? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195.md?page=15)