# Patrick Kane Rape Allegation **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195 "2015-08-06T22:00:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/282 "2015-09-24T22:24:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You’re going to look pretty dumb when you still have that username ten years from now. Unless Kane was found to have shaken the victim’s hand. Then they’d have one supporter… ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/283 "2015-09-24T23:55:35Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Case getting weirder: A claim by the Erie County Central Police that they still have all the evidence, including the rape kit. > > [http://wivb.com/2015/09/23/central-police-services-all-evidence-in-kane-case-accounted-for/](http://wivb.com/2015/09/23/central-police-services-all-evidence-in-kane-case-accounted-for/) What an ass you are, you are actually protesting the warning? They should have just suspended you and instead you posted an objection to the warning as a ATMB thread? ---
**Author:** ![Anonymous\_611029db27c9df0d53a8d56482d7eac3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Anonymous\_611029db27c9df0d53a8d56482d7eac3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anonymous_611029db27c9df0d53a8d56482d7eac3)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/284 "2015-09-25T01:31:05Z")
The alleged victim’s lawyer has dropped the case, citing that he can not verify how the empty evidence bag came into the possession of the family. The Erie Count DA will hold a press conference Friday morning. What a fucked up case. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/285 "2015-09-25T03:27:04Z")
IANAL but I don’t think it’s accurate to say he dropped the case, more like he’s backing out. However the end result might be the same. He feels the alleged victim’s mother lied to him. (about…?) > **[Lawyer For Patrick Kane's Accuser Withdraws From Case](https://deadspin.com/lawyer-for-patrick-kanes-accuser-withdraws-from-case-1732933091)** > > The lawyer for the woman accusing Chicago Blackhawks star Patrick Kane of rape withdrew from the case today, stating he feels he “can no longer effectively represent her.” ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/286 "2015-09-25T16:38:21Z")
Here’s the latest update: The tampered evidence bag was a hoax perpetrated by the alleged victim’s mother. The actual rape kit is in the possession of the DIstrict Attorney. The other woman who accompanied the alleged victim to Kane’s house is reluctant to testify. This case is falling apart quickly. > **[Mysterious bag in Patrick Kane case was a hoax, DA says](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-patrick-kane-investigation-20150925-story.html)** > > Prosecutor says the bag that led to allegations of evidence tampering in the Patrick Kane rape investigation was "elaborate hoax" by the accuser's mother. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/287 "2015-09-25T16:48:04Z")
It’s hard to see by reading this thread why anyone would be reluctant to testify. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/288 "2015-09-25T18:08:16Z")
Why the fuck would the victim’s mother do something to hurt the prosecution? ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/289 "2015-09-25T18:57:24Z")
I’ve got no opinion of what happened in this case, but this morning I found myself wondering: if I were a wealthy young single athlete or celebrity, would I require potential sexual partners to sign a consent form? Yeah, I realize all manner of young folk have sex all the time without assault accusations resulting. And I’m not at all intending to minimize the severity or frequency of sexual assault. But, MAN, I’m not sure I’d ever be willing to engage in a casual hook-up these days. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/290 "2015-09-25T18:58:38Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Why the fuck would the victim’s mother do something to hurt the prosecution? Presumably because none of Kane’s DNA was found on the victim in testing and the mother knew that. She would not want the court to hear that, hence the attempt to invalidate the kit by questioning the chain of custody. The DA is now saying it’s not when the case goes to a grand jury but if. [Link](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-patrick-kane-investigation-20150925-story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/291 "2015-09-25T19:15:04Z")
Kane’s DNA was found under her fingernails and on her upper body. There was none found in the vagina or underwear. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/292 "2015-09-25T19:38:37Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I’ve got no opinion of what happened in this case, but this morning I found myself wondering: if I were a wealthy young single athlete or celebrity, would I require potential sexual partners to sign a consent form? > > Yeah, I realize all manner of young folk have sex all the time without assault accusations resulting. And I’m not at all intending to minimize the severity or frequency of sexual assault. But, MAN, I’m not sure I’d ever be willing to engage in a casual hook-up these days. You sign the form, and then before actual intercourse change your mind and say no. What incentive does the guy have to stop at that point? He has a contract. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/293 "2015-09-25T20:19:15Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > You sign the form, and then before actual intercourse change your mind and say no. What incentive does the guy have to stop at that point? He has a contract. Yeah, and from the guy’s view, he needs a breathalyzer, witnesses… Maybe mandatory video of all amorous encounters? Thank god I got so little sex way back when. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/294 "2015-09-25T20:22:05Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > You sign the form, and then before actual intercourse change your mind and say no. What incentive does the guy have to stop at that point? He has a contract. “Contract” implies consideration and the intent to be bound. The form isn’t a contract. It’s not a promise of consent, it’s an _indicator_ of consent. One would suggest that you not sign the form if the possibility exists that you might change your mind, though. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/295 "2015-09-25T20:42:27Z")
Maybe the best course would be to rely on hookers… Of course, there you’d generally have an illegal contract. Like I said, never realized how lucky I was that I’ve always been goofy looking, uncoordinated, and far from wealthy. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/296 "2015-09-25T21:41:53Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Kane’s DNA was found under her fingernails and on her upper body. There was none found in the vagina or underwear. Can there be rape if you never get past second base? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/297 "2015-09-25T21:59:48Z")
There can be rape with the perp using a condom, there can be rape without ejaculation, and there can be rape using objects, so yes there can be. How to interpret the evidence would depend on how consistent it was with the testimonies already given: what was the story he told and what was the story she told? If both have stated that they had sex and that he put on a condom but differ only in whether or not she gave consent or was forced then the case is where it was. Well worse off given the mother’s actions. The mother’s actions cannot help but put the alleged victim in a bad light. If he denied they had sex at all and her story made no mention of a condom then the case likely does not go to trial. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/298 "2015-09-25T23:59:25Z")
Does anyone have a link to an article I don’t have to register for? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/299 "2015-09-26T11:20:59Z")
> [@Poysyn](#): > > If his name is in an arrest report, that is public knowledge UNLESS it will identify the victim. I know, because I often confirm info after a soldier is arrested. I find it a sad commentary on society that you have to do this at all, let alone often. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/300 "2015-09-26T11:25:26Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I’ve got no opinion of what happened in this case, but this morning I found myself wondering: if I were a wealthy young single athlete or celebrity, would I require potential sexual partners to sign a consent form? > > Yeah, I realize all manner of young folk have sex all the time without assault accusations resulting. And I’m not at all intending to minimize the severity or frequency of sexual assault. But, MAN, I’m not sure I’d ever be willing to engage in a casual hook-up these days. [Dave Chappelle agrees](http://www.cc.com/video-clips/jwmvxd/chappelle-s-show-love-contract) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/301 "2015-09-26T14:20:28Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Maybe the best course would be to rely on hookers… Of course, there you’d generally have an illegal contract. > > Like I said, never realized how lucky I was that I’ve always been goofy looking, uncoordinated, and far from wealthy. 🆒 At any given time there are 700 players under contract with the NHL. How many rape accusations are there? How many in all of sports? False rape accusations are hardly an epidemic. As long as you don’t actually rape anyone I think you are safe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195.md?page=16)