# Patrick Kane Rape Allegation **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195 "2015-08-06T22:00:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/81 "2015-08-10T19:19:28Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Yes, and I must say, that as a true Canadian, I was pleasantly surprised to find out that Mr. Kane is an American-born hockey player. I had always assumed he was Canadian. It gives me comfort to know that he’s American. Flame me if you will, but it’s how I feel. Have you heard of Graham James, Sheldon Kennedy and Theo Fleury? I’m not trying to one-up you, but SA is not a problem restricted to the US. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/82 "2015-08-10T19:39:57Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Have you heard of Graham James, Sheldon Kennedy and Theo Fleury? I’m not trying to one-up you, but SA is not a problem restricted to the US. I read that and thought you meant Starving Artist and was going to tell you that yeah, he’s American. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/83 "2015-08-10T19:47:08Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Have you heard of Graham James, Sheldon Kennedy and Theo Fleury? I’m not trying to one-up you, but SA is not a problem restricted to the US. I’m curious as to why you name the victims like they are with the perpetrator? ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/84 "2015-08-10T20:50:50Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > I’m curious as to why you name the victims like they are with the perpetrator? I certainly didn’t mean it that way. :smack: I shouldn’t rush through my posting, esp. when talking about such a sensitive issue. Kennedy and Fleury were the most well-known of James’ victims. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/85 "2015-08-10T21:44:12Z")
I get the impression that **dalej42** would say a nun was lying if she said she was raped. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/86 "2015-08-10T22:34:59Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > …I’m not trying to one-up you, but SA is not a problem restricted to the US. I never said it was, anywhere. I thought Kane was Canadian and am a tiny bit relieved that he’s a US player being investigated in the US, and not a Canadian kid. My sympathies and support are with the alleged victim. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/87 "2015-08-10T22:43:36Z")
> [@No\_umlaut\_for\_U](#): > > … What I want to know is, assuming the worst for Kane, how are the Hawks going to cope? Are they still on the hook for a $10MM+ cap hit if either a) Kane isn’t allowed to leave the US during the investigation, or b) he is forbidden to leave New York. Literally, the Blackhawks are out of cap space and haven’t signed two players left, both forwards. … The standard professional athlete contract includes a [“morals clause”](http://sportslawinsider.com/morals-clauses-in-sports-contracts-more-important-now-than-ever-before/). Not sure if being arrested and charged for rape alone is sufficient to invoke it though, or if a conviction would be required. I know that the Kings are _trying_ to break a contract with Mike Richards for being under investigation for possession of OxyContin at the US-Canada border. They are [expected by many to lose](http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2015/07/02/mike-richards-oxycontin-and-the-termination-of-his-contract/) the grievance being filed but in this case specifically because there is an explicit NHL drug policy that spells out a process. Kane likely has enough with his past “activities” to build a case in combination with an arrest and a charge. But IANAL, let alone one expert on sports contract law. Innocent until proven guilty … and business is business. Guilty or not. If charged I am fairly sure they will at least invoke the clause and see if the union fights them on it. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/88 "2015-08-10T23:29:26Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I get the impression that **dalej42** would say a nun was lying if she said she was raped. I wouldn’t. However, I am highly suspicious of many rape claims. When they’re made against a famous person where money could be an incentive, my bs meter starts pinging immediately. I did find this article quite interesting, there’s lots of reasons women will make false rape claims that have nothing to do with money. This can probably explain the lies behind the Rolling Stone article which was debunked. [http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/12/13-women-who-lied-about-being-raped-and-why-they-did-it/](http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/12/13-women-who-lied-about-being-raped-and-why-they-did-it/) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/89 "2015-08-10T23:33:47Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I wouldn’t. However, I am highly suspicious of many rape claims. When they’re made against a famous person where money could be an incentive, my bs meter starts pinging immediately. > > I did find this article quite interesting, there’s lots of reasons women will make false rape claims that have nothing to do with money. This can probably explain the lies behind the Rolling Stone article which was debunked. > > [http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/12/13-women-who-lied-about-being-raped-and-why-they-did-it/](http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/12/13-women-who-lied-about-being-raped-and-why-they-did-it/) I’m not going to be clicking on links to Thought Catalog. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/90 "2015-08-10T23:34:40Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I am highly suspicious of many rape claims. Golly, you don’t say? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/91 "2015-08-11T00:08:52Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > I never said it was, anywhere. I thought Kane was Canadian and am a tiny bit relieved that he’s a US player being investigated in the US, and not a Canadian kid. > > My sympathies and support are with the alleged victim. With the alleged, hopefully Canadian, victim. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/92 "2015-08-11T00:13:44Z")
> [@Anonymous\_611029db27c9df0d53a8d56482d7eac3](#): > > [This article](http://www.buffalonews.com/feed/new-details-emerge-in-allegations-against-nhl-star-patrick-kane-20150809), which presents an “interview” with presumably **dale42** relative Mark Croce, pretty much says the alleged victim deserved it. . Nope, it doesn’t say that. You’re completely misrepresenting the content of the interview. It says that according to Croce, this woman was all over Kane, keeping other women at bay, etc…IOW, that she was very flirtacious. It could only mean “she deserved it” if Croce believed that she was subsenquently raped and excused the rape on the basis of this attitude. There’s a very wide difference between reporting actions that hints at consensual sex and stating that a rape victim deserved it. ---
**Author:** ![No\_umlaut\_for\_U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea5d25/32.png) [@No\_umlaut\_for\_U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/No_umlaut_for_U)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/93 "2015-08-11T00:49:19Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The standard professional athlete contract includes a [“morals clause”](http://sportslawinsider.com/morals-clauses-in-sports-contracts-more-important-now-than-ever-before/). Not sure if being arrested and charged for rape alone is sufficient to invoke it though, or if a conviction would be required. I know that the Kings are _trying_ to break a contract with Mike Richards for being under investigation for possession of OxyContin at the US-Canada border. They are [expected by many to lose](http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2015/07/02/mike-richards-oxycontin-and-the-termination-of-his-contract/) the grievance being filed but in this case specifically because there is an explicit NHL drug policy that spells out a process. Kane likely has enough with his past “activities” to build a case in combination with an arrest and a charge. But IANAL, let alone one expert on sports contract law. > > Innocent until proven guilty … and business is business. Guilty or not. If charged I am fairly sure they will at least invoke the clause and see if the union fights them on it. Thank you. I was aware of the Richards case, which seems a little bogus at best. McDonough tries to run a tight, clean ship in Chicago, yet they have more than one player with “issues” who have been forgiven or helped to find help. It’s hard to predict which way this will go if there is a trial. I know they’d hate to lose Kaner. If he hadn’t had that broken collarbone last season, he might have been MVP. I can’t see this coming to trial in the next few months, if charges and an arrest are made. TPTB must be pulling their few remaining follicles to bits. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/94 "2015-08-11T01:25:20Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The standard professional athlete contract includes a [“morals clause”](http://sportslawinsider.com/morals-clauses-in-sports-contracts-more-important-now-than-ever-before/). [Question] Why would this be under a “morals clause”? Doesn’t an international sport like hockey have a standard clause that players have to have passports, and do nothing to restrict their passage across borders? Being able to travel internationally has been a requirement of some of my jobs, and I could have been laid off if I’d been unable to leave the country. (I probably would have been offered the option to take a pay cut instead.) [/Question] ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/95 "2015-08-11T01:36:12Z")
No idea if there is in hockey a standard clause that players have to have passports, and do nothing to restrict their passage across borders. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/96 "2015-08-11T01:39:59Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > No idea if there is in hockey a standard clause that players have to have passports, and do nothing to restrict their passage across borders. It’s almost impossible to travel by air between Canada and the USA now without a passport. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/97 "2015-08-11T01:58:01Z")
I’m not sure if Kane would be required to surrender his passport even if he was charged. A person from Buffalo working in Chicago shouldn’t be considered a flight risk unless they believe he might go seek work in the KHL (Russian hockey league) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/98 "2015-08-11T02:01:32Z")
That is not the question; the question is if being unable to cross the border due to being out on bond would violate a contract clause and allow its nullification without having to invoke the morals clause. I don’t know. Do you? You are the one who knows about hockey and rape. ---
**Author:** ![tenacious\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tenacious\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tenacious_j)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/99 "2015-08-11T02:55:23Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I’m quite serious why I question why she’d need a high priced attorney. If this is just a potential criminal case then the district attorney would present the case against Kane. Yes, because DAs have a stellar history of prosecuting and convicting, and taking the side of the accusers they represent. [https://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07\_Rape\_Prosecution.pdf](https://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07_Rape_Prosecution.pdf) > [@dalej42](#): > > I wouldn’t. However, I am highly suspicious of many rape claims. When they’re made against a famous person where money could be an incentive, my bs meter starts pinging immediately. > > I did find this article quite interesting, there’s lots of reasons women will make false rape claims that have nothing to do with money. This can probably explain the lies behind the Rolling Stone article which was debunked. > > [http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/12/13-women-who-lied-about-being-raped-and-why-they-did-it/](http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/12/13-women-who-lied-about-being-raped-and-why-they-did-it/) …And then there were the thousands who were raped and nobody was ever even arrested, let alone prosecuted or convicted. What’s the point of your anecdote and how does it apply to the facts of this specific case? ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195/100 "2015-08-11T03:08:34Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > It’s almost impossible to travel by air between Canada and the USA now without a passport. And even I know it’s impossible to play professional hockey without traveling between Canada and the US. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/patrick-kane-rape-allegation/727195.md?page=6)