# Paul Ryan- compulsive liar? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 2, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401 "2012-09-02T00:00:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/101 "2012-09-05T21:32:57Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Anyone remember Biden lying about going to law school on a [full scholarship](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/22/us/biden-admits-errors-and-criticizes-latest-report.html) or that he was in the top half of his class? How’s about them 3 degrees he said he received? > > Anyone remember when he [plagiarized](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/12/us/biden-s-debate-finale-an-echo-from-abroad.html) a speech in his debate in 1987? How about that [plagiarism](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html) in law school? > > Oh, that’s just Joe…Let Joe be Joe! So do you have anything to say about PAUL RYAN’S pathological lying and hypocrisy or not? Because your post belongs in a different thread, there is even a “stupid liberal idea of the day” thread already made for you. Because progressives value truth, they will actually criticize their own. Do you value truth, and will you criticize Paul Ryan’s obvious lying habit? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/102 "2012-09-05T21:48:03Z")
Well, I, for one, will stick my neck out and condemn Biden’s 25-year-old transgressions. I’ll look through my posting history to see what I had to say about this issue back then, and if I did not condemn it, I will be back here to apologize. Biden did admit he was wrong, and he dropped out of the race back in 1987. I am willing to say that 25 years of good behavior makes up for his past lies. Perhaps Ryan will follow Biden’s lead, drop out, and put in 25 years of good service before making another run for VP. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/103 "2012-09-05T22:22:58Z")
Here’s your Paul Ryan time calculator. Just enter your time and distance and it does the conversion for you. [http://www.paulryantimecalculator.com/](http://www.paulryantimecalculator.com/) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/104 "2012-09-05T22:37:03Z")
If you want truth Just ask Michelle If you want lyin’ Ryan’s swell Burma Shave ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/105 "2012-09-05T23:23:45Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > So do you have anything to say about PAUL RYAN’S pathological lying and hypocrisy or not? Because your post belongs in a different thread, there is even a “stupid liberal idea of the day” thread already made for you. > > Because progressives value truth, they will actually criticize their own. Do you value truth, and will you criticize Paul Ryan’s obvious lying habit? Politicians from both parties lie. It’s about the only thing they excel at. Debbie Wasserman Shultz has been caught blatantly lying twice in the past week but she is still the DNC chair and I don’t think anyone has accused her of being pathological or a compulsive liar. Biden has told some real whoppers in his time (the worst being from the 80’s but there’s plenty more where that came from) but that’s just Joe being Joe. Obama lied about his relationship with Bill Ayers and his knowledge Rev. Wright’s sermons. He lied about his mother fighting with the her health insurance company over a preexisting condition. His aids lied about knowing who Joe Soptic was after his superPAC commercial. His aides lied about him being a member of the socialist New Party. Are they all compulsive liars or politicians? My guess is the left can’t come up with anything on Ryan so they are throwing a lot of shit at the wall hoping that something will stick. Progressives do not value truth. They prefer the Big Lies. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/106 "2012-09-05T23:32:30Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Here’s your Paul Ryan time calculator. Just enter your time and distance and it does the conversion for you. > > [http://www.paulryantimecalculator.com/](http://www.paulryantimecalculator.com/) Your 100 Mile time: 04:03:27 Your Paul Ryan-adjusted 100 Mile time: 2:56:30.07 Congratulations, you have set a new Paul Ryan-certified World Record! Your time beats the past Men’s World Record for 100 Mile of 11:46:37. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/107 "2012-09-06T00:10:37Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Anyone remember Biden lying about going to law school on a [full scholarship](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/22/us/biden-admits-errors-and-criticizes-latest-report.html) or that he was in the top half of his class? How’s about them 3 degrees he said he received? > > Anyone remember when he [plagiarized](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/12/us/biden-s-debate-finale-an-echo-from-abroad.html) a speech in his debate in 1987? How about that [plagiarism](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html) in law school? > > Oh, that’s just Joe…Let Joe be Joe! I’m sorry, you appear to have mis-posted this in the _Joe Biden - compulsive liar?_ thread. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/108 "2012-09-06T00:32:39Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Anyone remember when he [plagiarized](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/12/us/biden-s-debate-finale-an-echo-from-abroad.html) a speech in his debate in 1987? How about that [plagiarism](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html) in law school? Anyone remember why Joe Biden **wasn’t** the Democratic candidate in 1988? Anyway, he usually mentioned Kinnock regarding the quote, just not at the speech in question, making it more one of good ol’ Joe’s patented gaffes, not a baldfaced lie like Ryan tells. And he was [cleared of the law school charges](http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/29/us/professional-board-clears-biden-in-two-allegations-of-plagiarism.html) in 1989. Please do try to keep up with your history. My wife used to run and she says that if she had done a marathon in under three hours she would have bought a fullpage ad about it and a vanity licence plate with her exact time. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/109 "2012-09-06T00:37:16Z")
On [Gawker](http://gawker.com/5940781/is-paul-ryan-lying-about-climbing-40-mountains-too-what-is-his-deal)now they have a post about how Ryan seems to be exaggerating his mountain climbing as well. But what makes me laugh from that post is this paragraph: > [@](#): > > Paul Ryan is now the guy from your high school who said he ran a 4.5 40 but didn’t want to go out for the team because he pulled his hammy. Paul Ryan is the guy from your work who told you he played D1 ball but seems suspiciously short and out of shape. Paul Ryan is the guy at the bar who keeps telling you he could “probably” beat Usain Bolt in a race, “if I was in better shape.” Paul Ryan’s ex-girlfriend looked like a cross between Lindsay Lohan and Katherine Heigel. Paul Ryan was at the very first Train show. Paul Ryan once took on three guys in a fight and won. Paul Ryan’s dad has a go-kart track in his attic but he locks it when other kids come over because he doesn’t want to get sued. The “exaggerating Paul Ryan” is definitely an internet ready meme. On the Colbert Report last night, Colbert was doing the same thing. Although he wisely recommended that Ryan should just lie about things that people can’t check, like about how he only has to sleep 4 hours a night and has a hot girlfriend in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/110 "2012-09-06T00:38:56Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > . . . Progressives do not value truth. They prefer the Big Lies. Size matters. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/111 "2012-09-06T00:49:42Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > They prefer the Big Lies. Like God? Or how Capitalism magically solves everything without gubmint intervention? That level of Big Lie? ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/112 "2012-09-06T01:42:53Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Or how Capitalism magically solves everything without gubmint intervention? It’s that invisible hand thing… sometimes you get caressed, other times you get goosed (unlike that invisibleObama that curses like a sailor ALL the time). ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/113 "2012-09-06T01:56:47Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Anyone remember Biden lying about going to law school on a [full scholarship](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/22/us/biden-admits-errors-and-criticizes-latest-report.html) or that he was in the top half of his class? How’s about them 3 degrees he said he received? > > Anyone remember when he [plagiarized](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/12/us/biden-s-debate-finale-an-echo-from-abroad.html) a speech in his debate in 1987? How about that [plagiarism](http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html) in law school? > > Oh, that’s just Joe…Let Joe be Joe! 1987 called. They want their attack ad back. > [@rogerbox](#): > > So do you have anything to say about PAUL RYAN’S pathological lying and hypocrisy or not? Because your post belongs in a different thread, there is even a “stupid liberal idea of the day” thread already made for you. > > Because progressives value truth, they will actually criticize their own. Do you value truth, and will you criticize Paul Ryan’s obvious lying habit? I think you mean the “stupid liberal idea of 3 decades ago” thread. People shave shots off their golf round and add inches to their fish, but it’s suicidal to do that when you are running for office. This guy’s been around the block, so I can only conclude he can’t help himself. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/114 "2012-09-06T04:15:32Z")
> [@Implicit](#): > > … add inches to their fish… I see what you almost did there. Sorta. ---
**Author:** ![svd678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@svd678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/svd678)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/115 "2012-09-06T04:37:15Z")
I liked Bill’s, “it takes brass to criticize someone else for doing what you did yourself” somewhat paraphrased. Obama removing $716B from Medicare (from expenses) while Ryan’s budget removes $716B from benefits. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/116 "2012-09-06T18:35:17Z")
What’s notable about the particular time Ryan chose is that it’s not just a lie to make him look good, its a lie to make him look _elite_. [Fewer than 2% of marathoners achieve such times.](http://rwdaily.runnersworld.com/2012/09/paul-ryans-critics-and-defenders-are-missing-the-point.html) It is exceptional to make such a time, and evidences very meticulous physical and psychological training, as well as a nice intersection of good luck on race day. As the article linked above notes, Ryan is claiming an honor he never earned. This is, actually, on par with Biden’s scholarship lie. Or plagiarism that routinely costs people their livelihoods. And it should come with a cost on par with that sort of behavior. Self-aggrandizing of political achievements is sadly par for the course, and generally involves “interpretations” of statistics. “We brought forth the biggest blah in bleh years.” Well yes, if you include blee and bloo as blahs, that sort of thing. This isn’t an interpretation issue. There is no way to interpret time on a clock. It is what it is. This is just a flat out, ridiculously easily fact checked glimpse into a stunning paucity of character. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/117 "2012-09-07T21:16:45Z")
Ryan’s not just a liar; he’s a compulsive, pathological, shameless, deceitful, lying motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/118 "2012-09-07T21:21:40Z")
No reason to hold back, **Chefguy** , tell us how you really feel. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/119 "2012-09-07T23:23:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No reason to hold back, **Chefguy** , tell us how you really feel. Mendacious _mentiroso_! Fabricating fuckwit! Prevaricating putz! ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401/120 "2012-09-11T17:02:42Z")
Here’s some video showing how deftly Paul Ryan lies. Watch how well he looks straight into the camera and lies. Watch how smoothly he parries the truth with dissembling. It’s really rather remarkable. What a piece of shit this guy is! > **[WATCH: Norah O'Donnell Gets Tough On Paul Ryan Over Defense Spending Controversy](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/norah-odonnell-paul-ryan-defense-spending_n_1870369?ir=Media)** > > WATCH: Norah O'Donnell Gets Tough On Paul Ryan Over Defense Spending Controversy [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-compulsive-liar/633401.md?page=5)