# Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Jason Chaffetz etc SHOWING DISRESPECT: Avoiding Saying "Trump" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863 "2017-02-15T00:05:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/21 "2017-02-15T02:57:22Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I would have assumed it was the opposite. Referring to Trump as just “the President” confers higher status to him by emphasizing his unique status. Calling him President Trump makes it sound like you have to specify which president you’re talking about. Calling him the _so-called President_ makes it quite clear who you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/22 "2017-02-15T03:01:17Z")
This is the stupidest fucking pitting I’ve seen in a long time. Besides, I’ve been calling him “Donald The Rump.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/23 "2017-02-15T03:02:43Z")
We do need a specific term to refer to Presidents like trump and “W” who win the electoral vote, but not the popular. “His Accidency” has been used in prior centuries but I was trying to come up with something less pejorative. We may need it ourselves someday. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/24 "2017-02-15T03:08:27Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > This is the stupidest fucking pitting I’ve seen in a long time. > > Besides, I’ve been calling him “Donald The Rump.” 😃 I tend to use President Cheeto or The Sentient Cheeto. Sometimes (Insulting term)-In-Chief. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/25 "2017-02-15T03:25:57Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I tend to use President Cheeto or The Sentient Cheeto. > > Sometimes (Insulting term)-In-Chief. But IS he sentient? ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/26 "2017-02-15T03:26:01Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Um… common sense? Sounds like common fiction to me. I’ve never dealt with a president, but I’ve dealt with cabinet secretaries. It was always “The Secretary” or “Lastname” or (internally) “S1” unless it came from [del]protocol droids, I mean the shunned ones, I mean[/del] the comms office or some formal ra-ra speaking event where he was being introduced. But then again I don’t use titles so maybe I missed something growing up. So do you have a citation? Assuming I’m not being whooshed here. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/27 "2017-02-15T04:19:07Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > We do need a specific term to refer to Presidents like trump and “W” who win the electoral vote, but not the popular. “His Accidency” has been used in prior centuries but I was trying to come up with something less pejorative. We may need it ourselves someday. How about calling them rutherfords? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/28 "2017-02-15T04:27:06Z")
Do you have a room in your house with all this pasted up on a wall, with bits of yarn tying them all together in a web of conspiracy? Have you stayed up until 4 in the morning on multiple days agonizing over all the interlinkages, color coding by zip code and social security number? No? You’re not trying hard enough!! Hint: The key is in the 4th word of every 3rd paragraph by these people. String together reverse alphabetically by speaker, and you’ve got it! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/29 "2017-02-15T15:00:55Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > We do need a specific term to refer to Presidents like trump and “W” who win the electoral vote, but not the popular. “His Accidency” has been used in prior centuries but I was trying to come up with something less pejorative. We may need it ourselves someday. Donald the Unready? ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/30 "2017-02-15T15:07:01Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > We do need a specific term to refer to Presidents like trump and “W” who win the electoral vote, but not the popular. “His Accidency” has been used in prior centuries but I was trying to come up with something less pejorative. We may need it ourselves someday. They get an asterisk. President\* Trump. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/31 "2017-02-15T15:19:35Z")
Works fine in print but… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/32 "2017-02-15T15:22:11Z")
What’s wrong with the so-called President? ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/33 "2017-02-15T16:05:17Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What’s wrong with the so-called President? Or nominal President. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/34 "2017-02-15T16:23:01Z")
I think it’s because they’re unsure if they should call him Trump or Drumpf. Until they come to a decision on this weighty matter, they’re leaving their options open, fearful of setting a precedent. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/35 "2017-02-15T16:39:53Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What’s wrong with the so-called President? I just saw in a comments section the best possible title. SCROTUS( So-Called Ruler Of The United States) That earns a 21 grin salute. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/36 "2017-02-15T16:46:03Z")
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!!! ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/37 "2017-02-15T16:46:34Z")
I’m sticking with Twitler for now. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/38 "2017-02-15T16:49:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I would have assumed it was the opposite. Referring to Trump as just “the President” confers higher status to him by emphasizing his unique status. Calling him President Trump makes it sound like you have to specify which president you’re talking about. Yeah, I think this is it. By saying “the president” then it emphasizes the office and its authority. It brings back the idea that of whether or not you respect the man you must respect the office, which for some reason seems to be coming back in vogue among Republicans in the last month after an eight year hiatus. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/39 "2017-02-15T17:09:12Z")
I think **Buck** and **Little Nemo** are onto something. The emphasis is on the office and its functions, not a personality. Or maybe they are just rubbing the noses of those still in denial in it - he is the President, with no qualification. There’s nothing nominal or so-called or pretend about it - Trump is the President of the United States, just like Obama was, and for exactly the same reason. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863/40 "2017-02-15T17:15:26Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Sure, they all say “the President”-----but they won’t say “President Trump.” Why not? Doesn’t he deserve to have his name spoken? > > This appears to be true for all the most prominent Republicans who are, supposedly, working with Trump—it’s possible to find one or two instances of their saying “President Trump” but for each one, there are fifty or a hundred or more instances where they are twisting themselves into pretzels with the effort it takes to avoid saying “President Trump” and to substitute “the President.” > > We all know that it was CRUCIAL to speak the words–_SPEAK THE WORDS!_– “Radical Islamic Terrorism”…so why isn’t it just as important to speak the words “President Trump”? Why are Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and Jason Chaffetz being so _disrespectful_? This is one of the lamest pittings ever. I rate it 1.3 out of 10. Never before has anybody put forth so much effort to so little effect. I’m not sure which is more pathetic – the fact that you think that a pitting is called for, or the fact that you went to so much trouble doing it. If there were a list of Brainless Wonders of the World, you would be on it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-jason-chaffetz-etc-showing-disrespect-avoiding-saying-trump/779863.md?page=3)