# Paul Verhoeven can kiss Robert Heinlein's entire ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 12, 2003, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-verhoeven-can-kiss-robert-heinleins-entire-ass/212733 "2003-11-12T01:29:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-verhoeven-can-kiss-robert-heinleins-entire-ass/212733/41 "2003-11-12T17:50:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mac Guffin \* > \*\*WHAT THE SHIT?!? Wasn’t pissing on Heinlein’s legacy ONCE enough? > > Damnit, why don’t I own any guns? \*\* [Lock ‘n’ load.](http://www.starshiptroopers2.net/) ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2003, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-verhoeven-can-kiss-robert-heinleins-entire-ass/212733/42 "2003-11-12T18:04:44Z")
> [@](#): > > “Our camera moves are more complex, our swarms are bigger, and our interaction with live action and CG is much more ambitious.” > An interview with Visual Effects Supervisor for Starship Troopers 2 - Eric Leven by Arkadiusz Grzegorzak It can’t be worse than Reloaded, i’ll give it a whirl (i was planning to anyway since it was announced. And Sandrine Holt is in it, I love her!) ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2003, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-verhoeven-can-kiss-robert-heinleins-entire-ass/212733/43 "2003-11-12T18:20:02Z")
I like the book and I like the movie, but let’s be clear: **They are two different things entirely**. The book and movie only share general themes, character names, and the overall name and concept. Another major point- if you didn’t understand **Robocop** and the implications behind it, you certainly weren’t going to enjoy the semi-tongue in cheek approach again used on **Starship Troopers**. In any event, its still hard to understand why someone got pissy over it. It’s simply one of those movies people will **never** agree on. Heck, Heinlein as an author is pretty much the same way. Personally, as long as the poster isn’t a Thread Crapper (for example shows up in every Simpsons thread just to say the show sucks and should have been cancelled years ago) putting up with opinions you considered ill-founded in Cafe Society is part of the price of civilized debate. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-verhoeven-can-kiss-robert-heinleins-entire-ass/212733/44 "2003-11-12T19:55:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > And Dooku, I have one topic no one here has been able to sway me on: homophobia. One topic. > > How is this “really no way to discuss anything with” me? Why don’t you search my posts before you make such blanket statements. Actually I seem to recall you going ape shit and attacking me personally and my employer in general for trying to help you with a Word problem. Ah yes, here it is, your Pit thread so filled with rationality that it resulted in you being forbidden from ever participating in a computer-related thread ever again under penalty of banning: [Manhattan is a fuckwad, and Microsoft can suck my dick](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=182484). > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Lissener_ > And thanks for making up a fictional response that you THINK I’d have to your opinion; certainly a good way to have something to object to. Funny, that. Here’s my fictional predicted response I thought I’d get from you: > [@](#): > > _Posted by Dooku earlier in this thread_ > It’s too bad you fail to understand that he is a misunderstood genius - I guess I don’t care really that you’re missing out on this insight And here’s what you actually said to **Wumpus** : > [@](#): > > _Posted by Lissener in the other thread_ > Well, Wumpus, what “gold” Cervaise and I, and others, have mined from Verhoeven’s work is definitely there; we’re not making it up. (Most of my own theories about his work were confirmed by subsequent viewings with director’s commentary.) So it’s possible that if you watched his films with some effort and attention, you’d see what’s there too. That you don’t doesn’t really bother me, personally, but it doesn’t make me wrong. I’d say my fictional response was rather accurate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paul-verhoeven-can-kiss-robert-heinleins-entire-ass/212733.md?page=2)