# Paula Deen **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049 "2013-06-27T17:56:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/141 "2013-07-01T19:22:12Z")
Well, what do you know. Message board user **LonesomePolecat** , who feels that it is [manifestly unjust that American public establishments no longer retain the right to refuse customers solely on the basis of their race](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14803094&postcount=54) and is of the opinion that it is [“foolish to believe that Anglo-American civilization can be sustained without a white majority”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13769902&postcount=50) also doesn’t think that Paula Deen should face societal censure for instituting racially discriminatory workplace policies and constantly blathering about “niggers”. who would ever have predicted this startling development. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/142 "2013-07-01T19:41:46Z")
> [@colander](#): > > who would ever have predicted this startling development. Anyone who has done a post search on LP and discovered what a Fox news loving, superstitious right wing racist, sexist, uneducated and unenlightened idiot he is. Some more Lonesome Polecat greatest hits: > [@Video: Whites are privileged, and that's unfair](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/video-whites-are-privileged-and-thats-unfair/625928/16): > > … There is no reason whatsoever that whites should feel bad about being the dominant political, cultural and demographic majority, and if that makes you feel bad–well, boo fucking hoo. > [@Jewish identity vers. white identity](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jewish-identity-vers-white-identity/623234/52): > > Let’s use the definition you guys use for affirmative action. You don’t seem to have any confusion about who’s white when it comes to taking things away from whites… > [@Rocker Ted Nugent threatens to assassinate President Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rocker-ted-nugent-threatens-to-assassinate-president-obama/619089/136): > > Ain’t sayin’ it’s better or worse, just tryin’ to give you guys at least a slightly better understanding of why there’s been a run on the gun shops lately. I keep trying to tell you guys that there’s a large and growing segment of the white middle and working classes who have little trust in the mainstream news, less in the federal government, and don’t believe either of the major political parties care much about them. Yeah, there’s a lot of paranoia and conspiracy theory there, but their fear and anger isn’t utterly baseless. Dismissing them with a sneer or a snarl and refusing to concede any validity to their grievances is a poor way to deal with them. And you guys have worn out the R word. Give it a rest. Crazy, paranoid, impotent white southern male ranting at anyone who doesn’t follow his parents’ POV. Problem with LP is, he can’t keep a woman around long enough who can keep his sheets white while he jerks off to Nuge videos. He’s just mad that he didn’t TEVO enough Paula Deen episodes before she got canceled. ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/143 "2013-07-01T19:51:30Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > Are you a non-native English speaker or just a redneck\*? You keep on using the term “prejudice views”. It should be “she holds prejudiced views”, or “she shows prejudice”, or “she is prejudiced”. > > - I saw Jeff Foxworthy refer to himself that way and southerners were laughing, so I assume it’s OK to use. I guess I didn’t really pay attention to it. Keep reading, I’m sure you will find lots of gramatical errors. ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/144 "2013-07-01T20:09:37Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > No, YOU LISTEN, dude. I couldn’t give a rip if Deen had fuckall to do with anything going on in those restaurants. You are claiming that people are ripping on Deen without ANY justification. I’ve just shown you that you are flat out wrong about that. There is PLENTY of justification. > > [ul] > [li]She didn’t just admit to the one-time use of a racial epithet 30 years ago; she admitted under oath that she’s sure she’s used it since then. SURE of it.[/li][li]She didn’t just admit to using a racial epithet when she was held up at gunpoint; she brushed off inappropriate “jokes” about several “groups” with a shrug because she can’t figure out that if you aren’t a paid standup comedian doing a schtick that’s likely self-deprecating, you have no business “joking” about racial and ethnic groups. People with brains bigger than a gnat’s know those “jokes” are always laced with hate, so give me a fucking break.[/li][li]She didn’t just admit to using inappropriate racial stereotypes in her past; she ignorantly humiliated a loyal friend in front of a large crowd by saying he was so dark he couldn’t be seen in front of a black board.[/li][li]She didn’t just acknowledge that she was an ignorant, racist idiot in her unknowing youth; she proved it when she called the SLAVES her grandfather owned, WORKERS, as if they were merely hired help who up and quit on him. As if we were supposed to feel sorry for all his “losses.”[/li][/ul] > > She proved she doesn’t fucking get it. Still. So your defense of her over people being mean on the Internets is ridiculous. 1. I’m aware that she has confessed to using the word on other occasions but she also said that it was a long time ago. 2. So what, she brushed off inappropriate jokes. Sorry, I have worked in lots of restaurants in college, been in the military and currently work in law enforcement. I have heard all sorts of inappropriate jokes. If one more person ask me what do you do with a woman with two black eyes one more time, I swear… Sorry, they don’t bother me. If it does, I say so and fortunately, I am around folks that respect that. Stand up comedians getting paid for those jokes now, I guarantee, one day weren’t being paid for it, but were telling those jokes. Besides.. thats public. Paula was NOT going around public saying that stuff ever. 3. I don’t know if Hollis was insulted, but lets say he was. Even you believe she did so ignorantly, because she self justifies the behavior by believe her and Mr. Hollis are close enough friends to do so and maybe they are. Inappropriate for public behavior and racist, sure, but I still put her down as an old oblivious one. 4. His slaves were his workers. I don’t believe the term necessarily means payment, but for that matter, many southerns probably said the slaves were paid because they were fed and housed. I think it’s sad when someone because so disbonded that they kill themselves. He lost his son too, so things were pretty bad for him regardless. If it was your grandfather, would you not be sad? Listen man, I am not claiming that people are ripping Deen without any justification. I have said multiple times that they are doing it based of incomplete or bad information. The media is not reporting a fair story from what I have read. ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/145 "2013-07-01T20:10:39Z")
> [@ombre12](#): > > aag3981 > > I empathize with you. Tough to be all alone, especially in the Pit. I’d try to help you, but I have enough problems in Great Debates, where the tone is much nicer. And I can be a little chicken shit. > > But …carry on. Doing a pretty good job amongst great hostility. Thanks, I am surprised by the name calling. Maybe Great Debates is more my tone. ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/146 "2013-07-01T20:23:26Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > The real problem with Paula Deen is that she is distracting too many people away from the racism that really matters. People still have a lot of pent-up outrage about the (ongoing) racism in this country, and it is being uselessly vented on some nobody who doesn’t matter. > > She is deflecting attention away from the racist policies of Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder and his GOP legislature, and the assholes who fund their campaigns. > > She is deflecting attention away from the racist policies of North Carolina Gov. Pat McRory and his GOP legislature, and the assholes who fund their campaigns. > > She is deflecting attention away from the racist policies of Texas Gov. Rick Perry and his GOP legislature, and the assholes who fund their campaigns. > > She is deflecting attention away from the racist policies of Minnesota Gov. Scott Walker and his GOP legislature, and the assholes who fund their campaigns. > > She is deflecting attention away from the racist application of search and frisk laws which result in harsh, unnecessary drug convictions over fucking _weed_ in New York and other places. > > I could go on, but you get the point. In light of actual formal racist problems in America today, I’m not sure the undoubtedly trashy Paula Deen even merits a sarcastic, “Whoa! Move over Julia Child!” :rolleyes: I agree with this, but I am pretty sure Paula Deen is not wanting anything to do with this sort of attention. ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/147 "2013-07-01T20:29:32Z")
> [@colander](#): > > Well, what do you know. Message board user **LonesomePolecat** , who feels that it is [manifestly unjust that American public establishments no longer retain the right to refuse customers solely on the basis of their race](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14803094&postcount=54) and is of the opinion that it is [“foolish to believe that Anglo-American civilization can be sustained without a white majority”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13769902&postcount=50) also doesn’t think that Paula Deen should face societal censure for instituting racially discriminatory workplace policies and constantly blathering about “niggers”. > > who would ever have predicted this startling development. Or maybe, judgment should be with held until the courts have determined if she was infact using discriminatory practices in the work place. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/148 "2013-07-01T20:32:39Z")
If my grandfather had been a fucking asshole who thought it moral to actually treat human beings like property and steal their labor, I would spend the rest of my life trying to apologize for being related to one of the world’s lowest forms of life. The fact that Deen feels sorry for the grandfather and not the human beings he enslaved is sickening. I can’t believe we’re having a conversation about the morality of slavery nearly 150 years after the end of the Civil War. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/149 "2013-07-01T20:34:32Z")
Well, apparently in the South they haven’t caught up yet – at least as of 1983 (30 whole years ago!), if we’re to believe this thread. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/150 "2013-07-01T20:41:01Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Well, apparently in the South they haven’t caught up yet – at least as of 1983 (30 whole years ago!), if we’re to believe this thread. Neither had MTV apparently. Circa mid 80’s MTV music video. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OG3PnQ3tgzY/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-BIAC4AOKAgwIABABGDkgWyhyMA8=&rs=AOn4CLBAU_5YAv7KI1jCstKt7VLGRMcdSA "Taco - Puttin' on the Ritz (Original Uncensored Version)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG3PnQ3tgzY) RO time traveling hindsight is pretty facking funny. Maybe somebody should dig up stuff that was shown on the major TV channels in the 60’s? Or Movies even. Disney’s Song’s of the South with Uncle Remus? perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/151 "2013-07-01T20:57:29Z")
> [@aag3981](#): > > Or maybe, judgment should be with held until the courts have determined if she was infact using discriminatory practices in the work place. Do you think the only thing anyone can be judged for is something that can be sued over? That if she can’t lose a lawsuit, no one can judge her acts or statements? ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/152 "2013-07-01T21:26:57Z")
> [@aag3981](#): > > 1. His slaves were his workers. I don’t believe the term necessarily means payment, but for that matter, many southerns probably said the slaves were paid because they were fed and housed. I think it’s sad when someone because so disbonded that they kill themselves. He lost his son too, so things were pretty bad for him regardless. If it was your grandfather, would you not be sad? I feel sad that Lizzie Borden is an orphan and the mother of OJ Simpson’s kids is dead. BTW, it’s “despondent”, and you spelled lose (looze) as loose in a previous post, and you’re a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/153 "2013-07-01T22:08:54Z")
That’s it! I’m not buying anymore Taco albums. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/154 "2013-07-01T22:56:20Z")
> [@Werekoala](#): > > Everybody is a little bit racist. Bullshit. Now three questions for aag3981: [ol][li]What’s your home planet?[/li][li]What language do they use there?[/li][\*]Is the concept of Logic known there?[/ol] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/155 "2013-07-01T23:35:14Z")
[quote=“Monty, post:154, topic:662049”] Bullshit. Now three questions for aag3981: [ol][li]What’s your home planet?[/ol][/li][/QUOTE] I wouldn’t throw stones, Well-Scrubbed Thing from Kolob. ---
**Author:** ![Werekoala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7993a0/32.png) [@Werekoala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Werekoala)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/156 "2013-07-02T00:02:01Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/embed/kMeU_szhZ6E?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/157 "2013-07-02T00:13:04Z")
Oh, well, if some puppets sang a song about it. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/158 "2013-07-02T00:33:55Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I wouldn’t throw stones, Well-Scrubbed Thing from Kolob. **Monty** , did you find that funny? I need to know just how embarrassed I should be to have thought it was, or did before my Gentile GuiltTM kicked in and said, “We don’t make jokes about Black people so we don’t make jokes about Mormons, not even if they are obscure, even if nobody can hear us.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/159 "2013-07-02T01:48:04Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > **Monty** , did you find that funny? I need to know just how embarrassed I should be to have thought it was, or did before my Gentile GuiltTM kicked in and said, “We don’t make jokes about Black people so we don’t make jokes about Mormons, not even if they are obscure, even if nobody can hear us.” I thought it was tongue in cheek. And, yes, I did chuckle a bit. By the way, I’m a tad too lazy to go through the thread and check any and all links to see if this has been addressed: who really believes Deen actually had the experience she related about being held up? I’ve never heard of it before and I find it rather too convenient for her to trot it out now. ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049/160 "2013-07-02T01:53:34Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > If my grandfather had been a fucking asshole who thought it moral to actually treat human beings like property and steal their labor, I would spend the rest of my life trying to apologize for being related to one of the world’s lowest forms of life. The fact that Deen feels sorry for the grandfather and not the human beings he enslaved is sickening. > > I can’t believe we’re having a conversation about the morality of slavery nearly 150 years after the end of the Civil War. > > :eek: Who here has questioned the morality of owning slaves? I have ancestors that likely owned slaves and I don’t go around apologizing for it. I didn’t do it. I don’t own them now and believe it’s wrong, but times are much different. I wouldn’t expect anybody to apologize to me about how women were treated 100 years ago unless they were trying to treat me like that now. Why shouldn’t Deen feel sorry for her grandfather? He went through a stressful, disruptive time in his life. Not just slaves mind you, he lost a child. I expect its the dead son thing that did him in, but folks on here only seem interested in reinforcing their own current opinions of a situation rather than consider other possibilities. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paula-deen/662049.md?page=9)