# PaulFitzroy Banned **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 21, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027 "2004-12-21T19:56:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/21 "2004-12-22T03:47:48Z")
Good point. I guess I learned never to snitch when I was a kid and I’m reluctant to do so. I think I may have reported two or three bad posts one day, but that was that. Don’t know what got into me that day. The reason I’ve hardly touched GD lately was because of the insults thrown around there shortly after I joined. But I’ll think about it. Maybe if I can reconstrue it as education rather than snitching, I may do my share. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/22 "2004-12-22T04:17:59Z")
**PF** just seems like he needs to grow up. Still while I understand the banning and I’m not going to the mat for PF, it did disturb me a little bit that he got mod grief for hate speech and advocating genocide in some threads while **Sevastopol** didn’t. Also, I add my Kudos to the mods for these threads. Its good to get the reasons out and prevent the lengthy, often wrong speculation that bannings of fairly long term posters generated. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/23 "2004-12-22T07:00:04Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Perhaps **samclem** might want to explain why he had this to say to \*\*PaulFitzroy \*\* in this [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5091596&postcount=59) cited above. > [@](#): > > PaulFitzroy . Take a lesson from Tamerlane and tomndebb. Notice how they can give information which is usually backed up by very reliable sources. And, they can criticize someone else’s info WITHOUT insulting the poster You say you read the thread twice. All I can say is that you were looking for what you wanted to see. You perhaps missed my first warning in that thread– > [@](#): > > [Moderator hat on] Jodi. While I think that you’re asking for trouble with this kind of a thread in GQ, I understand why you posted it here. We’ll just have to take it post by post to see if it can stay here. > > SPOOFE. Your Post#4 about Billy Bob, etc. was ill-advised, IMHO. Some GQ threads can stand levity. This one is precarious, and doesn’t need extra problems. Don’t do that again. > > stockton and jttm80. I know you each want to help by posting what seems like corrections to generalizations. But that’s gonna move Jodi’s thread over to GD or worse. > > stockton–this is GQ. Try real hard not to insult posters(SPOOFE), whether they deserve it or not. > > If I left anyone out, take my warnings to heart. > > Oh, yeah!. As usual, kudos to tomndebb and all others in this thread who continually post what the thread originator was looking for(aren’t we all?)–information. > > [Moderator hat off] Notice that, even though Paul had posted in the thread at this point, I didn’t warn him. I DID warn others. If I can give you a simple reason about that thread–Paul wanted a debate or an argument. Jodi did not. Nor did tomndebb, nor did Tamerlane. If you think that Paul’s cites were in the same class with Tamerlane’s or tomndebbs, then we have different standards of evidence, you and I. > [@](#): > > Guess what I did find in that thread samclem ? Your wonderfull Jodi insulting the banned poster’s style and making fun of him. Hey, did she get an e-mail ? My “wonderful Jodi” started a thread, about which I had serious doubts that we’d be able to make it to the end. But, some serious posters, among whom I consider tomndebb and Tamerlane, tried their best to present factual evidence to answer the OP. Paul continued to post in a confrontational manner, and his “information” was not very factual, at least it could not be backed up by what I would consider sources that were credible. He was posting his opinions. I moderate GQ. If you want to post info there, you need to consider your sources. If you want to post opinions, and diatribes, then take it to the Pit or GD. Paul just wasn’t very good at remembering this. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/24 "2004-12-22T13:33:12Z")
> [@](#): > > I guess I learned never to snitch when I was a kid and I’m reluctant to do so. I think there’s a qualitative difference between “being a snitch” and “helping law enforcement officials do their duty.” I just saw the woman next door beat her husband over the head with a shovel and bury him in the back yard, but I don’t want to call the cops because I don’t want to be a snitch. I watched out the window while a mugger beat up and robbed a woman, but I didn’t call the cops because I didn’t want to be a snitch. No, sorry, it doesn’t fly. Moderators can’t be everywhere and can’t read every thread and every post. There’s just too much. But we all want to have moderated boards. The only way to ensure civility is if y’all help us out by REPORT BAD POST. We don’t just take your word for it, we investigate, but it helps us have focused investigations. ---
**Author:** ![sinical\_brit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@sinical\_brit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinical_brit)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/25 "2004-12-22T14:00:07Z")
PF was a tool. I consider it an early xmas pressie ! Sin ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/26 "2004-12-22T15:17:34Z")
I read the mod’s decision as “three strikes, you’re out”, meaning that it wasn’t the severity of the final insult that got PF banned, but the fact that he kept acting a jerk after multiple warnings. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/27 "2004-12-22T15:22:04Z")
> [@sinical brit](#): > > PF was a tool. > > I consider it an early xmas pressie ! What are the official guidelines on posting in “Poster X banned” threads? Can we say that he/she was a tool? Can we shout yippie-kayoo? Can we hold a party? ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/28 "2004-12-22T15:33:09Z")
Can we be even more immature? ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/29 "2004-12-22T16:00:57Z")
In ATMB, we are polite, factual, and well-mannered in any comments. If you want to say “Yippee” or “Oh, shit”, go to the Pit forum and post there. There’s often a related thread in that forum, where the restraints of good manners and polite society are mostly gone. Mostly. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/30 "2004-12-22T16:16:54Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > In ATMB, we are polite, factual, and well-mannered in any comments. That’s what I thought. So **sinical brit** was out of line then? ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2004, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/31 "2004-12-22T19:43:18Z")
Yes, and was told so. your humble TubaDiva Administrator ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2004, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/32 "2004-12-23T00:17:08Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > …the restraints of good manners and polite society are mostly gone. Mostly. Newt? Oh, I’m afraid The Pit claimed Ripley a long time ago, my dear. 😉 Regardless of the forum, it _is still_ pretty foul to kick a fellow when he’s down. And when he can’t defend himself, that goes doubly. If you don’t buy into my moralising, another way of looking at it is “tribute threads” stir up a lot of emotions. Some “Bannees” are berated so severely in the _post nota_ that they immediately come back and sign on as a sock puppet just to try and clear their names. I’ve wasted a lot of witty rejoinders on deleted sock threads, I’ll have you know. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2004, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/33 "2004-12-23T00:28:36Z")
Crud. “a sock puppet” should be _sock puppets_. Jungian slip? ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/34 "2004-12-23T23:14:22Z")
The banned poster’s “John Kerry/penis-boy” thread in MPSIMS is particularly perplexing. I got there too late to see the linked picture, but based on its description by other posters I haven’t a clue what he was trying to imply. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/35 "2004-12-26T22:54:28Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > Still while I understand the banning and I’m not going to the mat for PF, it did disturb me a little bit that he got mod grief for hate speech and advocating genocide in some threads while **Sevastopol** didn’t. Pretty rich, coming from the advocate for pedophilia. ---
**Author:** ![Milkman\_Dan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3da27b/32.png) [@Milkman\_Dan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milkman_Dan)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/36 "2004-12-26T23:36:58Z")
> [@sevastopol](#): > > Pretty rich, coming from the advocate for pedophilia. I don’t know the background behind this statement, but nonetheless… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2004, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027/37 "2004-12-27T00:04:10Z")
This one’s closed. **sevastopol** and \*\* Larry Borgia\*\*. I’m sending you both emails to make sure you read my warning. Don’t abuse ATMB. This new idea is a good thing. If you, **Larry** , have a concern that the mods and admins didn’t treat another poster the same way that we treated **Paul** , you should start a thread in **The BBQ Pit**. > [@](#): > > This is the place for all complaints and other discussion regarding administration of the SDMB **sevastopol**. You have a beef with something another poster says? Take it to the Pit. Mild warnings to you both. Just try to remember where you are posting. **samclem** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paulfitzroy-banned/281027.md?page=1)