PBS ventures into "Reality TV" with Frontier House.

Enjoyed the show a lot. I would love to have that experience.

It was kind of sad seeing 9-year-old Justin Glenn hypnotized by the PlayStation, back in the 21st century.

I couldn’t really figure the Clunes out. By the end of their time in Frontier Valley, Gordon Clune was truly looking the part, and obviously they all worked very hard. But then to move into their brand-new huge freakin’ mansion and be bored… I’m just not sure what they took away from the experience. Gordon seemed to have as big a chip on his shoulder as ever.

I wasn’t surprised that the Glenns split up. I’ve known people who talk about their “church family” like Karen Glenn does; always creeps me out a bit.

The Brooks’ really seemed to gain something philosophically from the experience. Wouldn’t you like to have those people for next-door neighbors?

Yeah, Karen Glenn is a tad creepy. And what a control freak. That bit at church, with her screeching, asking several times if they were singing all four verses…and then she had to tell everyone around her that they were, in fact, singing all four verses. They could hear the answer for themselves, but she had to tell them, too.
She’s a little scary.

Wouldn’t it have been better to stack all the firewood up against the house, for insulation? Plus it would be closer in the cold weather, easier to get.
Or is there a reason you don’t want it right by the house?

It was sad about the Glenn’s busting up but it was probably inevitable “Frontier House” experience or not. He’s was OK guy most of the time but he seemed to be a bit of a weenie and have the emotional maturity of a 13 year old, but I did pity him a bit given that his wife’s overall attitude toward him bordered on contempt most of the time. It almost seems she was really getting off on telling him what an asshole he was and how incompetent he was which could have worn thin quickly.

I have to take a somewhat different position than those who think the Clunes are bumbling idiots. At first that may have true but they learned quickly and overall I think the Clunes would have ended up most successful over time if they survived the first winter or two. Although whiney, the Clune father was quite intelligent and more of a gambler and took more risks than the other men to succeed, which I think would have paid off in the long run. You can see why he is a successful executive.

Well’s someone’s enjoying the show!

From the PBS discussion group - Warning on this link before clicking…this guy’s enjoying watching the Clune girls waayyy too much.

sexy clune girls

I had to go out last night and my VCR went haywire, so I didn’t get to see the last part of the show, Which families could make it through the winter and which ones could not ? What else did I miss ?

The Brooks would make it, but the experts noted that it was possible it was because they were a small family without children. The Clunes, according to the experts, work hard but didn’t do what was necessary to survive the winter. The Glenns would have survived, but the experts noted the relationships problem and said that that might hamper their winter survival.

I never thought I’d feel sorry for a couple of Malibu girls whining from their hot tub about having nothing to do, but I do.

I liked the girls all the way through the show – they’re teenagers, for pete’s sake. Rich California teens at that – we need to cut 'em some slack.

They were thriving toward the end of the experiment. What can they do now to build on it? Anyone have any ideas?

I was okay with the Clunes trading baked goods for meat. It was a bit unnatural that they couldn’t hunt, and it wasn’t like they traded for Twinkies or something modern.

I was feeling sorry for Papa Glenn until tonight – he and Mama Glenn just don’t seem to be a good match. However, he lost major points in my book when he made those comments about not wanting stepchildren. Dude, you’ve got stepchildren, you’ve already made a committment to them by getting married to their mother, DEAL WITH IT. They seem like nice kids, so it’s not even as if there was the added pressue of having terrible, juvenile delinquent kids. (And even if they were, you would still have to deal with it).

It was great to see how much all the kids liked school! And how excited they were by the orange! I bet none of the kids would have given an orange a second thought before. There’s a scene in one of the Little House books where the girls each get an orange for Christmas, and they are just awed by it.

I felt so bad for the little Glenn boy when it came time to slaughter the pig. I understand that it’s an important truth, but it’s not as if he was raised on a farm. You could tell that even the adults were conflicted about the idea of killing the pig, but as grown-ups, they were ready to commit to the notion that you had to kill livestock in order to eat. It’s a big sea change for an adult who is not used to having a direct relationship with an animal. For a little kid whose only animal relationship relationships have been with pets, it must be overwhelming. I’m not explaining this very well – I’m not disagreeing with killing pigs – heck, I love bacon – but I feel for that kid, because he seemed powerless. Too bad he couldn’t have found a spider to impress folks with the fact that it was “SOME PIG” :wink: I also cried in empathy when Erinn was talking about leaving Snowball, her horse.

The Brooks, of course, continue to amaze me. Kristen gets a big thumbs up for me for just leaving her dirty breakfast dishes. And how about Nate talking about leaving the Frontier? Swoon! Swoon!

I have to admit I was more impressed by Mama Clune as the series went on. She did the best she could, and worked very hard. I still think Gordon is a raving lunatic, although I can see why these same traits make him a successful executive. He’s probably not completely off-base when he claims that the most successful Frontier people were probably the ones who were aggressive and creative thinkers. However, he’s missing the point when he uses this to justify his cheating. Sure, a frontier family would have taken advantage of finding items in the woods, but they would have also taken advantage of a freaking time warp that brought them to the parking lot of a Wal-Mart.

One thing that kept bugging me was how the women (and Gordon) seemed to trot around in a state of undress. Was I seeing things, or did one of the girls go to school wearing just her corset? I’m convinced that real frontier women would have stripped down while doing housework and farmwork, but wouldn’t they have dressed properly as soon as they had contact with people outside of the family, like school, or going to the store? I thought it was very interesting that even the producers saw this is a sign of independent womanhood on the frontier. Nate, of course, can take off his shirt any time he darn well pleases :wink:

Not really the point of the show, but it was interesting to hear the mention of September 11. Mama Clune making her flag – that was great. It’s impossible to put myself in that situation, but I think I would have freaked out if I had been taking part in a frontier show, and all of a sudden heard about 9/11. As a New Yorker, my impulse would be to hightail it back to NY immediately, especially in the first days when it wasn’t clear if people were needed to help, donate blood, etc.

This thread has been so much fun! I’m glad PBS showed this series three nights in row, I’m the kind of person who always loses track of the day, and forgets to watch weekly shows. Wouldn’t it be fun to have “Little Town on the Prairie” populated by Dopers?

Couple of points and questions:

First, it was amusing to see the Clunes caugth with the contraband bedsprings; kinda sheds new light on the “gift” to the Glenns of the old rope bed, doesn’t it? Looks like he made two rope beds, one for him and his wife, and one for the kids (the kids’ was shown in the last episode when the coil springs wre discovered), and then, when they sneaked in the bedsprings, they had to find something to do with the old rope bed. So, let’s just throw it away by giving it as a “gift” to the Glenns. Yes, it was a gift, and I’m sure the Glenns were glad to get it, but let’s face it, it wasn’t made by the Clunes for the Glenns, it was a throwaway.

Second, a question: was it my imagination or were both the Glenn woman and the niece in the Clune family smoking pipes? The camera never stayed on them long when they were smoking, but it was strange to see that frontier life had driven them to smoke. Just what were they smoking anyway? They didn’t buy any tobacco at the store did they?

Finally, it was sad to see the “Where are they now” part of the show - the Clunes back to their modern life which looks like less fun than the 1883 version, the Glenns all but divorced, and Nate and kirsten wondering what to do with their lives. Maybe there’s something to this 1883 stuff after all. Except for all the work!

Some musing and notes . . .

• They never actually showed us any of the animals being killed—kinda wussy, PBS!

• Nate singing to his goat was the cutest thing EVER. What happened to the goat, I wonder? Didn’t see it in their honeymoon shots.

• What a shame the Clune girls morphed back into rich, bored, spoiled debs when they got home. Use some initiative, girls—go out and FIND something to do!

THANKS EVERYONE For contributing to my thread!

WOW! I am awed. Now that this is over I have to say…

Clunnes Papa may be a cheeter and a sneek, but he is a sucessfull business man in the modern world, and it is those things that stood out about him. I do believe had they had a few more months to prepare for winter this bunch would have made it.Sending half the family off to live in Billings would have been a bit expensive would it not? What was with the running around in the unnerwear?That was just wrongo. Mama Clunne finaly tuned in. I believe she probly learned more from this than we gave her credit for. I was amazed at the teen leaning how to play the gituar. Even with the “cheeting” I liked them better than the Glenns.

Glenns OY! Where does one start about this bunch? I tell you, I don’t wonder in the least bit why Papa Clunne avoided Mama Glenn at all costs. Does this woman have a positive bone in her body? I also can’t blame Papa Glenn for telling her to get bent afterward. Though I think Papa Glenn was a bit pussy-whupped when this experiment started, it was nice to see him come unto his own thoughts and grab his life back from Mama Glenn. I’m thinking perhaps he aught go get him a house in Montana and live there full time.I bet he’d be a heck of alot happier than holed up in some little apartment in Nashville.Yes Lady, run to the church where the acceptance of your overbearing personality is assured.Where you are loved irrespective if you are a bitch. Surely you belong there right along side the old lady who has 30 cats and the fire and brimstone preacher.

Brooks I just loved these folks! It was great to see Papa Brooks out with the Younger Mr.s building the house. I can see why he was missed in the latter months. Nate and Kristen were a bigger joy to watch than the Whinneys and the Bitchersons. I actually got a bit wattery myself when Nate spoke of the memories he had of his Father and Brother helping him build. It’s obvious to me that these two will do just fine together in the future. Thier humor and compassion made the whole thing worth watching! Wood choppin’ wisdom…“Be one with the wood”…

I hope PBS dosn’t wait the same 3 years for another “HOUSE” that they did between Frontier and 1900. They are better than any other Reality program out there! Don’t keep us waiting so long this time!

Why couldn’t they have stayed for the winter to see who would make it?

I mean the show would check up on them and they could call for help with a radio if neccessary. It seemed to me that the Clunes needed a dose of winter reality to realize how badly they did. They way he reacted to the final report just made me mad. His superior attitude would have quickly dissapiated after a month of winter. (I loved the axe throwing contest)

The Brooks had a advantage with no kids and Pappa Brooks expierence. I wonder how the young couple would have fared if it was just them and his dad wasn’t there at first.

My thoughts organized mostly by family.

The Clunes: The family I love to hate. Mr. Clune is, um… a singularly unattractive specimen of humanity. He could find a way to rationalize anything. Perhaps he has just enough of a moral compas to realize that he shouldn’t be cheating but not enough to keep him from doing so. Thus the elaborate rationalizations. And his arrogance is incredible. The scene when he got the assessment and treats us to a rant about how the experts don’t know a thing. Guess what, even if you were allowed to hunt all that food isn’t going to help if you freeze to death cause you have no firewood. The girls improved over time but they never did figure out the idea that everyone has to whatever work is needed for the good of the family.

The Glens: I was almost persuaded that there was hope for Mrs. Glen when she talked about realizing that she had been a little too harsh and judgemental. Why did they let the little boy watch as the pig was killed? Jeez, take him for a walk until it’s over.

The Brooks: This couple is great. Nate with his Zen and the art of wood-chopping bit was hysterical.

I thought all the women wearing their corset as outerwear looked like the obligatory bar-room floozie in an old western.

I was amused that the Clunes and the Glens each commented that the other had this unfortunate idea that they were in competition.

My favorite comment on what they got out of the experience was the little boy who said, “We found imagination.” Too bad they all lost their imagination once they got back. The Clune girls are bored with going to the mall every day. The Glen boy is bored so he zones in front of video games. Somebody please find these kids a hobby, a volunteer project, something.

Does anyone know if there’s going to be a Frontier House 2, or something of that ilk?

Wow, so many great comments!! My only gripe about this series is it was TOO SHORT…only 6 hours of footage for a 6 month project? Seems like towards the end the families started getting along better, but funny how that was sort of glossed over. I liked how at the end Mr. Glenn said how much he missed being there, missed Rudy, the Clunes and the animals, etc. And how he thought if they had really been there for 5 years they would have become a strong community. Either that, or they would have killed each other!!! Whoever said he should leave Tennessee and move to Montana and live there was right!!! It’s like he belongs there.

I thought it was cool to see Nate and Kristen exploring the world and trying to figure out what to do next. They seem to look at life as a big adventure, what a great attitude!!! Instead of running back to the same old same old, let’s see what’s out there! I love it!!

Also, at the end they showed Nate and Mark as very emotional about leaving…but cut to Mama Clune who was singing “Freedom!!!” And notice how she was one of the only ones that didn’t look back at the cabin when they finally left…she was ready to get the heck out of there!! Loved the shot also of her painted toes and feathered sandals. I really don’t think the Clunes learned anything from the experience, probably just something to talk about at their dinner parties.

With the Glenns, it really is too bad that Karen has allowed the kids to go back to their habits of TV watching and video games. I really hope she encourages her daughter to work with animals, etc. It would be a shame to waste the talent she discovered. I totally agree that they lost their imagination as soon as they got back to “civilization”.

I’ve got the final 2 hours on tape, I might just rewatch it today.

I had the exact same reaction as Delphica when Papa Glenn said that about the kids. I was pretty sympathetic to him until that. What a bizarre thing to marry a woman with two kids when you didn’t want anything to do with them. And to say that on film when you knew the kids would be watching it later? How cruel and thoughtless! (Did it seem to anyone else at the end that he was a little bit, um, crazy? When they showed him in his apartment after I think something had snapped and he sorta lost his grip on reality.)

My husband absolutely FLIPPED OUT over the pig-killing. He actualy had to leave the room. I can’t believe someone can be 40 years old (and married to a vegetarian) and not give a moment’s thought as to where bacon came from. The fact that they killed the pig didn’t bother me, and I think it was important for the kid to watch, but the way he (dad) petted it and played with it for a while (and it just stood there, tail wagging) before he put a bullet in it’s head really weirded me out. I expected it to have some sort of survival instincts and put up a struggle like the chickens.

The Clunes? Blech. Creepy, creepy, creepy. Borderline evil. And the mom didn’t have enough sense to switch her washer and dryer around so that the doors opened AWAY from each other, no WAY they would’ve survived the winter even with all the lying, cheating and rationalizing. The thing with the still was funny at first but the way he tried to say “oh it’s science, it’s important for the kids to see it, just doing what it takes” etc. was sorta sickening. Would it be the same if he had a meth lab set up in his basement at home? “Just trying to feed my family!”

The Brooks: Class acts all around. What else is there to say?

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:smiley: I thought the exact same thing.

I agree they worked hard and came a long way. But the Clunes made several very questionable decisions, which I think was their primary downfall. Selling the horses, not rationing what they had, waiting too long to gather hay, etc. And did you see the wood they stockpiled? What did they have, enough for the first week of winter? Someone mentioned that they would have been better off if they had a few more months to prepare for winter. Well, sure, but you have to fill out all those forms in triplicate and submit them to Mother Nature.

Yeah, from a Dilbert-esque point of view, I can see why. His attitude of the rules (and laws, with the moonshine) don’t apply to me is exactly the kind of thing middle class cynics think of when they imagine why the rich are rich and they aren’t. Of course, I’m not going to say one example proves the case. But compare them to the Brooks men, who come from a background of knowing what it’s like to have to work for everything you have.

it was mrs glenn doing the laundry.

i was a bit disappointed in mr glenn when he spoke of his stepchildren. the only thing i can think of is that the 3 of them have a very tight bond and he feels on the outside of it. however that should make one try harder to have a relationship with the kids separate from the wife.

all the livestock except for the ones they ate went back to the farms they “rented” them from. this is pbs, i’m sure that any produce, canning, etc was given out to organizations throughout montana.

i couldn’t look when they would slaughter the animals. i felt so bad for the pig. they are so smart and trainable. this pig was not raised the way you would raise a pig for the table. you don’t name them and you don’t make friends with them. i think mr glenn thought that if the pig was calm and somewhat happy that would be less horrible than racing around squealling and hollering. i did think his decision to kill the pig himself was about the most courageous thing he did out there.

I’ve been thinking…and I have to say something about the Clunes…sure they made a lot of bad mistakes, but they were also the family with most disadvantages. The Brooks family had Papa Brooks first, then it was just husband and wife. The Clunes only had 2 adults, 2 teenagers, and 2 kids. It may not excuse some of their errors, but it may explain why they couldn’t do as much as the other families…