# PCs are shit. Macs rule. I get it now. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 18, 2005, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406 "2005-05-18T14:18:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/81 "2005-05-18T21:44:21Z")
I am so PO’d at \*\*KarlGauss \*\* for taking that one-liner before me. Grrrr! ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/82 "2005-05-18T21:48:27Z")
Well, I guess this was one time when you wanted to come early. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/83 "2005-05-18T21:58:26Z")
FWIW, I consider XP to be functionally a downgrade from 2K. It’s like they took a good thing, splashed a whole bunch of brightly-colored paint all over it, and the paint gummed up the works. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/84 "2005-05-18T22:07:48Z")
> [@Arwin](#): > > What primary software is that, btw? It’s a [ViewStar](http://www.amrein.com/EWORLD/flow008.htm) app. ---
**Author:** ![coleridge78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@coleridge78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coleridge78)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/85 "2005-05-18T22:32:34Z")
> [@Arwin](#): > > Everything that is now developed to support the .NET Framework (certainly everything I’m building) can be run on any version of Windows starting with '95. Market speak, theoretically true. I’ve run .Net programs on IE in Win95 and they’ve been barely functional. Not to say it’s not possible to write apps that will work well in '95; just to say that most coders likely aren’t bothering anymore, from my personal experience. > [@](#): > > Not really. XP is from the NT OS line, which at version 5.0 (2000) was greatly revised and improved (among others, like OS/X though not as much, made more Unix-like). XP is the look-how-pretty-I-can-be update, but is really only NT 5.1. Right, which is why I said “sort of”. The point, in context, being that they’re both closer to each other than to Win 3.1. ---
**Author:** ![wheelie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b4bc9f/32.png) [@wheelie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wheelie)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/86 "2005-05-19T01:55:50Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > Isn’t this the same thing … or are you suggesting that Macs swallow? And lick their lips and give you That Look. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/87 "2005-05-19T04:09:34Z")
Linux ---
**Author:** ![unclviny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e274bd/32.png) [@unclviny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unclviny)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/88 "2005-05-19T05:28:03Z")
I understand “different” (you are talking to a 300 pound guy with a 6 1/4 horsepower motorcycle) but the “Mac-people” aren’t happy with that and they feel compelled to make stuff up and try to convince the world that Mac’s are vastly superior to Pc’s for example: “Mac’s dont crash”. I understand that in some ways Mac’s are “better”, I just get tired of folks who have “drank the Mac kool-aid” looking down thier noses at Pc users. I have a good friend who is a “Mac guy” but he has yet to show me ONE reason that Mac’s are superior to Pc’s. Unclviny ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/89 "2005-05-19T05:34:46Z")
> [@Purd Werfect](#): > > Fuck, I just wish one or the other had never been invented - I don’t care which one. Holy Wars are so nasty and unecessary. Holy Wars are dumb as posts, yeah, but can you imagine a world where either Microsoft _or_ Apple had no competition? Shudder. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/90 "2005-05-19T05:46:31Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s like they took a good thing, splashed a whole bunch of brightly-colored paint all over it I agree, but the paintjob was neccessary to get ma and pa on the new file structure and code base. Fortunately, the fundamental damage wasn’t particularly bad. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/91 "2005-05-19T05:49:02Z")
> [@wheelie](#): > > And lick their lips and give you That Look. 😉 I’ve often said that using a Mac is the second-best thing to having sex. 😃 > [@unclviny](#): > > I have a good friend who is a “Mac guy” but he has yet to show me ONE reason that Mac’s are superior to Pc’s. I think [not getting pwned in under 5 minutes](http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/54201306) counts. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![unclviny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e274bd/32.png) [@unclviny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unclviny)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/92 "2005-05-19T06:04:44Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > ::snip:: I think [not getting pwned in under 5 minutes](http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/54201306) counts. 🙂 From the link you provided: The Macintosh machine, on the other hand, was assaulted as often as the Windows XP SP1 box, but never was grabbed by a hacker, thanks to the tunnel vision that attackers have for Windows. “The automated bot/worm attackers were exclusively using Windows-based attacks,” said Colombano, so Mac and Linux machines are safe. For now. “[But] it would have been very vulnerable had code been written to compromise its system,” he added. For the bulk of users who work with Windows, however, Colombano didn’t recommend dumping Redmond’s OS and scurrying for the protection of hacker-ignored platforms. “Update Windows regularly with Microsoft’s patches, use a personal firewall–third-party firewalls still have their place, since Microsoft’s isn’t suited to guard against outbound attacks–keep secure passwords, and use some type of anti-virus and anti-spyware software,” he advised. Of the list, the firewall is the most important. The study concluded, for example, that Linux- and Windows-based machines using an application firewall were the best at preventing attacks. And what is “pwned”?, is that “leet speak” or somesuch nonsense? Unclviny ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/93 "2005-05-19T06:59:08Z")
> [@unclviny](#): > > “The automated bot/worm attackers were exclusively using Windows-based attacks,” said Colombano, so Mac and Linux machines are safe. For now. “[But] it would have been very vulnerable had code been written to compromise its system,” he added. And yet, after all these years, despite the fame and fortune that’s just sitting there for anyone who writes the world’s first gen-u-ine MacOS X virus, nobody has managed to do that… while Windows virus advisories come out practically on an hourly basis. Then again, breaking into Fort Knox isn’t exactly Trivial Pursuit, either. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/94 "2005-05-19T07:05:43Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > And yet, after all these years, despite the fame and fortune that’s just sitting there for anyone who writes the world’s first gen-u-ine MacOS X virus, nobody has managed to do that… while Windows virus advisories come out practically on an hourly basis. I’m not so sure about the fame and fortune bit, but are you saying that writing a virus for Mac OS X can’t be done? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/95 "2005-05-19T07:08:59Z")
> [@spectrum](#): > > And I really did want to try to address your issues. No, you’ve wanted to have an impassioned rant in favor of Macs. We get it. You love them. Not all of us do because they don’t meet our needs. Fucking deal. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/96 "2005-05-19T07:37:42Z")
> [@unclviny](#): > > And what is “pwned”?, is that “leet speak” or somesuch nonsense? Yes – leet speak, chatroom speak, somesuch nonsense, idiot speak. Call it any of these that you desire – it’s all one in the same. ---
**Author:** ![unclviny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e274bd/32.png) [@unclviny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unclviny)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/97 "2005-05-19T07:38:11Z")
One more time for the “reading comprehension disabled” among us: (still from the link you provided) so Mac and Linux machines are safe. For now. “[But] it would have been very vulnerable had code been written to compromise its system,” he added. And your FT. Knox comment was too stupid for words. Unclviny ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/98 "2005-05-19T07:47:49Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > And yet, after all these years, despite the fame and fortune that’s just sitting there for anyone who writes the world’s first gen-u-ine MacOS X virus, nobody has managed to do that… I don’t know how many fame and fortune offers there have been, but [this offer of fame and fortune](http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/mac_os_x_virus_writing_contest_begins_and_ends/) appears to have only lasted for about 2 hours… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/99 "2005-05-19T08:16:31Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > No, you’ve wanted to have an impassioned rant in favor of Macs. > > We get it. You love them. > > Not all of us do because they don’t meet our needs. > > Fucking deal. Way to interject your asinine bullshit into a conversation that didn’t include you. Please go play with electricity. While in the bathtub. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406/100 "2005-05-19T08:46:00Z")
> [@spectrum](#): > > Way to interject your asinine bullshit into a conversation that didn’t include you. Please go play with electricity. While in the bathtub. Differ in opinions on Macs, go kill yourself. That’s a sane reaction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pcs-are-shit-macs-rule-i-get-it-now/304406.md?page=6)