# Peace Protestors, Grow The Fuck Up! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2001, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584 "2001-09-30T03:25:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/1 "2001-09-30T03:25:32Z")
Even though the IMF and World Bank prudently canceled their meetings in DC this month, the fuckhead anarchists and hippies paraded anyway, this time protesting in an anti-capitalist, anti-racism, anti-technology march. Thousands of Americans have been murdered, and you want to give the architect of the terrorist acts a flower and a hug? Let him get off scot-free? Maybe if you sing Kum Ba Ya loud enough and wave your giant puppets, bin Laden will apologize! :rolleyes: Frankly, I suspect a lot of the protesters today would like to give bin Laden a medal for killing so many capitalists. Nobody wants to kill innocent Afghans, but if people are hurt, why don’t you use your head and blame the Taliban for sheltering this monster? If innocents are killed, the Taliban and bin Laden are to blame. In addition, 1. Show your faces. Wearing black masks and bandannas makes you look dangerous and untrustworthy. If your cause is just, why do you hide? 2. Drop the fuckin’ puppets and drums. You look like a bunch of kids on break, instead of serious activists. If you are so intent on avoiding war, then why don’t you stay home and build up grass roots support for your cause instead of coming to DC and being a royal pain in the ass? 3. Anticapitalism is an asinine idea. If you are so intent on achieving global justice, why don’t you lobby for democracy and opportunity in the Middle East? Capitalism is the only way for other nations to improve their economies. Socialism doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![apotheosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@apotheosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apotheosis)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/2 "2001-09-30T03:33:38Z")
I’d like to add my wholehearted agreement in here before Guin & Co. show up to express their inevitable huffy outrage at your shameless warmongering. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/3 "2001-09-30T03:33:56Z")
**applause** Well said, **gobear**. ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/4 "2001-09-30T03:37:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Nobody wants to kill innocent Afghans, but if people are hurt, why don’t you use your head and blame the Taliban for sheltering this monster? If innocents are killed, the Taliban and bin Laden are to blame. Why is it that people keep on wanting to put the responsibilities of America’s actions on the Taliban? If innocents are killed then the people doing or supporting the action that got the innocents to be killed are to blame. We don’t blame ourselves for the terrorist actions of Osama Bin Laden, so why would we blame the Taliban for the actions we are going to take against them? ---
**Author:** ![jabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/db5fbb/32.png) [@jabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jabe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/5 "2001-09-30T03:41:36Z")
Striving for peace is a good cause. Protesting for peace is a good cause. It might not get anything done, but neither does complaining about peace protesters. I blame the Taliban for sheltering Bin Laden, and I blame Bin Laden for killing inncoent people. He should pay for what he did. If waving puppets and marching in anti-war protests makes these people feel better, I say let them do it. When they start hurting people and destroying things it goes too far. But as long as it stays peaceful, I think it is the best examples of our ‘American Freedoms’ that we are so eager to protect. peace, JB ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/6 "2001-09-30T03:43:52Z")
Reminds me of an old Monty Python line: “I’d like to start a war for peace.” ---
**Author:** ![Bluepony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bluepony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bluepony)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/7 "2001-09-30T03:45:40Z")
Same ol’ tired fuckin’ act that I played at in college. Cool then, pathetic now. **Gobear** , please pass me that copy of the _Wall Street Journal_ after you’re through with it, o.k.? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/8 "2001-09-30T03:46:03Z")
Damn straight, **jabe**. I think I liked **goboy** better than this **gobear** personna. He’s turning into as big an unthinking, knee-jerking, one-note, right-wing blowhard as **Milo**. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/9 "2001-09-30T03:47:14Z")
> [@](#): > > We don’t blame ourselves for the terrorist actions of Osama Bin Laden, so why would we blame the Taliban for the actions we are going to take against them? In the same way we blame any murderers for the actions we take against them. The Taliban have supported bin Laden, they are sheltering him, and they have refused to hand him over to be tried for his crimes. Their hands are stained not only with the blood of 6,000 Americans, but also with the women they have starved, the gays and lesbians they have crushed under walls, and the dissidents they have shot. ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/10 "2001-09-30T03:51:17Z")
Someone of dropzone’s intellect and ilk doesn’t like me. Somehow, I think I’ll still be able to sleep tonight. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/11 "2001-09-30T03:52:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sterra \* > \*\*We don’t blame ourselves for the terrorist actions of Osama Bin Laden, so why would we blame the Taliban for the actions we are going to take against them? \*\* By **Sterra’s** strange logic, there’s as much blame for Allies who killed Nazis as for Nazis, who committed genocide. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/12 "2001-09-30T03:55:29Z")
> [@](#): > > I think I liked goboy better than this gobear personna. He’s turning into as big an unthinking, knee-jerking, one-note, right-wing blowhard as Milo Um, **Dropzone** , I voted for Gore, I have NEVER voted for a Republican in my life, and I’m gay. It’s kinda difficult for me to be an unthinking, knee-jerking, right-wing person. A blowhard, well, people have to judge for themselves. I am, however, someone who thinks that appeasing tyrants is stupid, weak, and untimately suicidal. If you want peace, that means that you want bin Laden to go free, because he will never be caught without violence. I don’t want the people of Afghanistan to suffer; right now, they are being held hostage by the Taliban. All the Taliban have to do to avoid a military conflict is to hand over bin Laden. What part of that do you have a problem with? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/13 "2001-09-30T03:55:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Milossarian \* > \*\*Somehow, I think I’ll still be able to sleep tonight. \*\* As the possibility that you could be wrong on any issue, or that some other view might possibly have some merit, cannot fit in that brain of yours I’m not surprised. Sleep tight. ---
**Author:** ![King\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7bcc69/32.png) [@King\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/King_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/14 "2001-09-30T03:56:40Z")
I’m gonna reprint my post from another thread (the “pseudo hippies” thread) here because it was buried under some unrelated trolling: The “psuedo hippies” (for this thread, substitute “peace protesters”) as you call them have set themselves up in Union Square here in NYC not far from me. Union Square became a beautiful memorial with pictures and candles and signs. The “pseudo hippies” then set up camp in the south part and have defaced George Washington’s statute with a huge peace symbol on the horse’s hindquarter (that’s not all). There are “March on Washington–Peace Now” posters. Even my rabidly Nixon-hating mother was offended. The bodies of the dead haven’t even been recovered yet and you want to sue for peace? I just don’t get it. It seems to me that being for “peace” is like being against wife-beating. Of course peace is preferable to war. Of course love is better than hate. Is this in doubt? But the “pseudo-hippies” (“peace protesters”) can’t abide force of any kind. Oh, if you ask them “Well, are we supposed to turn the other cheek?” they may reply “No, that the people responsible should be punished.” But what does that mean to them? Thier slogans and rhetoric suggest capitulation, at least to my ears. Perhaps I just don’t understand the philosophy of Pacifism. P.S. They can’t abide force of any kind unless its against an animal research facility or other politically “correct” target. In the late sixties when I was 9 or 10, my sister and I would joke that the hippies’ motto was: **PEACE OR I’LL KILL YOU!** P.P.S. please note that I am not critizing people who protested against the Vietnam War. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/15 "2001-09-30T03:58:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **It’s kinda difficult for me to be an unthinking, knee-jerking, right-wing person. A blowhard, well, people have to judge for themselves.** You’re heading there. Next thing you know you’ll be married to a woman and driving the kids to soccer in your minivan. If you are going to start abusing people for their strongly-held personal beliefs you might as well get used to getting it back. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/16 "2001-09-30T04:07:09Z")
> [@](#): > > You’re heading there. Next thing you know you’ll be married to a woman and driving the kids to soccer in your minivan. If you are going to start abusing people for their strongly-held personal beliefs you might as well get used to getting it back Oh, abuse me all you like. Swear at me, make comments about my momma, call me a Nazi. I can take it. But when you call me right-wing, it tells me that you’ve paid very little attention to my posts. I think that pacifism, in general terms, is a wonderful thing. I think that pacifism as a response to the WTC/Pentagon/PA tragedies is stupid, shortsighted appeasement of murderers. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/17 "2001-09-30T04:11:57Z")
Regarding the Taliban and whether they’re “guilty” or not: I personally would have supported a war against the Taliban **before** Sept. 11, on the grounds that their crimes against their own people, and hell, their crimes against humanity, are deserving of strong retribution. ---
**Author:** ![apotheosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@apotheosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apotheosis)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/18 "2001-09-30T04:14:59Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by dropzone \* \*\* > [@](#): > > You’re heading there. Next thing you know you’ll be married to a woman and driving the kids to soccer in your minivan.\*\* **HA! YEAH, Punk! Just like all those soccer moms that kept** … Clinton… in…[sub]office… nevermind. (slinks away) [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![jabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/db5fbb/32.png) [@jabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jabe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/19 "2001-09-30T04:16:02Z")
shit, that was funny peace, JB ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584/20 "2001-09-30T04:20:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Sterra \* > > \*\*We don’t blame ourselves for the terrorist actions of Osama Bin Laden, so why would we blame the Taliban for the actions we are going to take against them? \*\* > > By **Sterra’s** strange logic, there’s as much blame for Allies who killed Nazis as for Nazis, who committed genocide. :rolleyes: \*\* Or maybe just maybe people are responsible for their actions. The allies who killed the Nazies are responsible for killing the Nazies. The Nazies who commited genocide are responsible for committing genocide. Personally I thought that a person doing something then yelling “he made me do it!” was two year old logic. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peace-protestors-grow-the-fuck-up/84584.md?page=2)