Cheap shot or not, it made me giggle.
Er, Bj0rn?
WWWWHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSHHHH.
Bj0rn’s just upset because you made an unflattering comparison between a fat woman and a whale. That’s just about the only wildlife they’ve got up there on that moss-covered volcanic rock in the North Atlantic, so don’t knock whales.
They love their whales right up until they ram harpoons and armor-piercing bullets through their flesh and rip them asunder on their docks.
Bj0rn’s whaling vessel probably has one of those Mean People Suck bumber stickers, too.
Yet to be reconciled with the reality of the dark for a moment, I go on wandering from dream to dream.
whichnever really jibed with libertarianism to me, I guess. I always sort of agreed with Robert Heilein:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don’t ever count on having both at once.
Right on Alphagene!
All the libertarian debates in GD just make me want to go out and coerce the shit out of something.
Umm… this isn’t the cunnilingus thread?
The lollipop thread?
Seriously, isn’t the problem with Libertarians that they either assume that people are generally Peaceful and Honest, or that it doesn’t matter if they aren’t?
“If men were angels,” etc.
I miss my html.
So is that why you and Val were so late getting down to brunch?
You know Lou, you’ve got a bit of a Schwimmeresque look to ya, its gotta be he hair.
To the tune of Jingle Bells:
Sailing through the fjords,
on a one mast double-sail,
after the whales we go,
laughing all the way!
ummm… yeah. Sounds good.
Lay off the Coors, frat boy.
Gypsy: Tom, I don’t get you.
Tom Servo: Nobody does. I’m the wind, baby.
You can call me a frat boy if you want damn it, but I will not stand by and be called a Coors drinker! Take that back, low blow!
How many times have we heard that line?
rocks
and people who make cheap remarks about a subject which they dont understand are rude as well…
bj0rn - cant beat me at my game
If everybody were really peaceful and honest, pretty much any system of government would work. I’ve mentioned that to Lib a few times, but don’t remember getting any real response.
The genius of the Founding Fathers was in coming up with a system that has given us a great deal of latitude, but still deals with the fact that, by and large, we’re anything but peaceful and honest.
The mark of a truly great mind isn’t whether you’re right or wrong. It’s how well you can weasel out of a jam. - Unca Cecil
Alpha you better hurry guy or this thread is destined for the yellow folder.
I’ve learned that if someone says something unkind about me, I must live so that no one will believe it.
RT
With all due respect, I believe I have answered that a number of times. Okay, once more.
It is precisely because so many people are not peaceful and honest that libertarians believe government is necessary — to enforce peace and honesty.
If we thought like you think we think, that all people are peaceful and honest, then we would just be anarchists.
And, once again, libertarianism is not a system. It is a context in which any arbitrary system may be employed by volunteers.
Jab
That is a dogmatic statement.
Consistency is not dogma. (Before you quote you’re tempted to quote Emerson’s hobgoblin remark, make sure you get it right! or I’ll slam you with the correct quote!) 
I’m reminded of a sentiment attributed to Jung, in my favorite book of all time. Something like: We’re all giants living in a pygmy’s hut, and we spend our lives bullying the other giants instead of knocking the goddamned walls down.
'Cept for the giants who like “7th Heaven”. They could benefit from a kick in the ass.
Come on, guys. Can’t we all just get along? I mean, if we just sit down and really explore our feelings honestly, I’m sure we can -
[SCREEEEECCHHH!! BLAM!! BLAM!! RAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAT! BLAM!! SCREEEEEECCCHH!!!]
- aaarrrggghhhh…gurgle…gurgle…
Me:
RM:
Apparently not enough. Now off to the Mary Kay Party with ya.
Gypsy: Tom, I don’t get you.
Tom Servo: Nobody does. I’m the wind, baby.
Actually, Lib, no - you’ve never said that on any thread I’ve been on.
And of course, since “libertarianism is not a system. It is a context in which any arbitrary system may be employed by volunteers,” you’ve never exactly explained how there’s any guarantee of anything being enforced. A libertarian whatever will have a strong military, and enforce peace and honesty - but what it consists of, well, depends, so we don’t know WTF it can enforce, do we?
Putz.
(best wishes, Wally!)
Enough of voting for the lesser of evils - vote Cthulhu 2000!
It must be fun to say, “here are the properties a libertarian ______ will have” (strong military, the ability to enforce peace and honesty), and then, when people ask how that will come to pass, you get to shrug your shoulders and say, “I dunno - libertarianism is just a context.”
It’s like a boxer connecting with a punch, and then dancing out of the way when his opponent tries to nail him one in return.
It’s also intellectually dishonest.
It’s like politicians who claim that the money will be there for whatever they want, be it a big tax cut, new federal programs, or whatever - and when asked where the money will come from, they say “we’ll get rid of waste, fraud, and abuse,” or “the surpluses will pay for it,” as if the economy will never again take a downturn.
It all amounts to the same thing: magic will make it happen. It will happen because I say the words, and my intellect is above reality.
People have tried to nail you down on the mechanics of how the things happen that you will say happen on a multitude of threads now; it’s really a kind of joke. Hell, you’re getting to be a kind of joke. everybody knows that, when you’re asked to say anything concrete about your ‘context’, you’ll dance away, leaving the questioner with a lot of air, but you’ll have plenty of definite things to say about the ‘what’ it will be, if not the ‘how’.
Be a mensch, for cryin’ out loud. Be a stand-up guy. Or admit that your whole ‘context’ is the Elven Fairy Dust Kingdom.