# Peacemaker series **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [January 15, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829 "2022-01-15T04:18:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/61 "2022-02-04T17:42:35Z")
The episode was an interesting mix of good and bad. Genuinely solid character development; Peacemaker’s anger over being left out of secrets and sense of isolation and betrayal felt very real. On the other hand, the number of character reversals and twists in this episode felt very muddled, as if someone lost the plot, or they were rushing to get two or three episodes’ worth of stuff into one. I’m not at this point sure what Waller’s plan is, don’t understand why Goff seemed trying to communicate peacefully when he is now clearly evil, can’t exactly figure out what the police chief was up to, and Murr’s story has some huge, huge holes in it. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/62 "2022-02-04T17:56:23Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > don’t understand why Goff seemed trying to communicate peacefully when he is now clearly evil, Well, She is evil, and _had_ just spent a day or two seeing _exactly_ how stupid Vigilante is, and also, that Peacemaker is suspicious about what he’s been told, and not told. So I’m sure it was all some kind of a ruse to let her escape, which ended up conveniently not being needed because the police showed up at just the right time. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/63 "2022-02-04T18:08:26Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > don’t understand why Goff seemed trying to communicate peacefully when he is now clearly evil She. Although Murn could be misgendering based on that they have a vagina … maybe NOT preferred pronoun. Adebayo is I think our surrogate, the “regular person” mixed up in craziness, and her confusion to what’s good or bad or who is worse or better is is the same as ours. Except she also knows what Waller hasn’t told the team. Unless mommy lied to her too. And that unrevealed Waller information is going to flip something around again. No side here is “good.” Some just worse than others. Clearly though the armies of butterfly controlled police and of White Knight’s white supremacy militia will be colliding as they each close in on Peacemaker and company as they close in on the cow. That will be interesting. I’m rooting for the butterflies. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/64 "2022-02-04T21:14:03Z")
It’s almost a sure bet that Waller lied to Adebyo. She lies the way Trump does. I am now very curious as to how the fake diary was supposed to fit in her plan. It’s playing a role but there is almost no way Waller planned for what happened. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/65 "2022-02-04T21:38:24Z")
And while Waller planning to throw Peacemaker under the bus is consistent with her, there’s no specific reason to presume that it says what the butterflies says it says. The (presumed now dead on the periphery of the trailer) policeman reading it seemed a bit more freaked out than it’s being that. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/66 "2022-02-04T21:48:29Z")
Waller’s plan is “plan for everything.” The diary was probably one of several contingencies. It could have been for future leverage against peacemaker, or it could’ve just been about making her daughter betray the team to maintain distance. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/67 "2022-02-04T22:06:22Z")
FWIW I just freezeframed the diary as it was being skimmed by the policeman. Full of stereotypical right wing conspiracy stuff like Demoncrats and Trump and vaccine mandates. No clues there. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/68 "2022-02-04T22:18:03Z")
Also. Peacemaker had a chess set? And Goff in Sophie says “In the end this is better for everyone.” I don’t know if Murn is “the wrong side” but Goff does seem to think that what they are doing is for humanity’s benefit too. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/69 "2022-02-05T00:25:13Z")
Unless Goff does not include humans in “everyone.” ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/70 "2022-02-05T01:28:27Z")
Maybe someone should ask Supes if he is familiar with these aliens. Otlr the Wonder Twins. 'Cause you _know_ the Wonder Twins have to be real in this continuity. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/71 "2022-02-05T01:31:45Z")
I was kind of bummed out that Detective Sophie got “butterflied”. I enjoyed her sarcastic snarky persona. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/72 "2022-02-05T01:38:05Z")
Yeah, I liked the character, and kinda assumed she was well-enough developed to have Plot Armor. Didn’t enjoy watching her being brutally and graphically murdered. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/73 "2022-02-05T13:28:51Z")
Do we know for sure that the ‘host’ dies if the butterfly controlling it leaves? For that matter, if you don’t shoot a host in the head I assume the butterfly can just go take over someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/74 "2022-02-05T13:46:58Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Do we know for sure that the ‘host’ dies if the butterfly controlling it leaves? I suppose we don’t know for certain, but the gouts of blood and the fact that the thing is the size of a squirrel and somehow crawls into your brain and makes a little house there strongly implies it. > [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > For that matter, if you don’t shoot a host in the head I assume the butterfly can just go take over someone else Yes, we do know that. ---
**Author:** ![SwissMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/75 "2022-02-05T14:00:51Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Do we know for sure that the ‘host’ dies if the butterfly controlling it leaves? Murn-Butterfly seemed to heavily imply that this was the case; he communicated that he decided to take over Murn because Murn was an incredibly evil person and he (the butterfly) would not feel guilty about taking him out. But I guess we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/76 "2022-02-05T14:04:30Z")
We are talking about comics, anything and everything is possible… ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/77 "2022-02-05T23:03:09Z")
> [@SwissMan](#): > > Murn-Butterfly seemed to heavily imply that this was the case; he communicated that he decided to take over Murn because Murn was an incredibly evil person and he (the butterfly) would not feel guilty about taking him out. But I guess we’ll see. I mean, if I was going to take over and mind-rape someone for an indeterminate amount of time while risking their life, I would do it to the worst person I could find, even if there was a chance I’d get to release them when I was done. I don’t think we know one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/78 "2022-02-06T00:43:17Z")
When Murn was explaining his butterfly-ness, one of the others directly stated that he had murdered Murn, and Murn confirmed it. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/79 "2022-02-06T05:18:55Z")
I don’t think he found that out. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/80 "2022-02-06T16:11:45Z")
So apparently a Texas exotic butterfly conservatory has been the target of Right wing conspiracy theories for a while now, from illegal immigration to Satanic sex trafficking of children, enough that they had to recently close until further notice out of safety concerns. > **[How a Butterfly Refuge at the Texas Border Became the Target of Far-Right Lies](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/06/us/butterfly-center-texas.html)** > > Becoming the focus of conspiracy theories about child sex trafficking has caused the National Butterfly Center to shut its doors for now. I wonder if the show’s writers already knew this when they decided on a butterfly conspiracy plot device? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829.md?page=5)