# Peacemaker series **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [January 15, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829 "2022-01-15T04:18:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/101 "2022-02-11T00:29:23Z")
Tonight I noticed that the names of the Nazis (in the credits and CC both) are things like “white power shithead” and “whitehood wanker.” ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/102 "2022-02-11T00:33:48Z")
Ah. Had not noticed that. Yup something I missed on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/103 "2022-02-11T04:12:25Z")
Yall really gonna make me cry over a CGI Eagle?? ffs ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/104 "2022-02-11T04:22:10Z")
…but Peacemaker trying to quietly get a selfie of the Eagle Hug was kind of hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/105 "2022-02-11T18:40:48Z")
I thought this episode was great! Fitting showdown and resolution to the conflict between Peacemaker and his dad. And the nazis were clearly only ever the side plot. The real mystery, though, is what Judomaster knows about the butterflies, and if it’s going to turn out there’s an additional twist there. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/106 "2022-02-11T19:17:32Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Yeah, definitely. I mentioned upthread that I watched the opening credits every episode, and giggled with delight every time. Not this time, though. That was genuinely rough. There’s a really surprising amount of child murder in this show, isn’t there? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/107 "2022-02-11T19:38:18Z")
Because of the brutal tonal shift, or did I miss something more specific? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/108 "2022-02-14T19:59:59Z")
I’m really enjoying the show. It DOES cover the same beats a bit too much. Kind of like if you had a DnD campaign going and you met three times a week with the same dungeonmaster…and maybe you should cut back to two or one session a week. ---
**Author:** ![wjChia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d6d6ee/32.png) [@wjChia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wjChia)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/109 "2022-02-17T03:11:43Z")
season 2 confirmed! waiting for the finale later today > **[‘Peacemaker’ Renewed For Season 2 By HBO Max](https://deadline.com/2022/02/peacemaker-season-2-hbo-max-james-gunn-john-cena-1234935052/)** > > A Season 2 of James Gunn’s popular DC series Peacemaker is locked and loaded on HBO Max. Gunn will direct and write all episodes for the new season. Gunn and series star John Cena announced t… ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/110 "2022-02-17T03:22:22Z")
Excellent news. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/111 "2022-02-17T15:28:12Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Goff may not be evil. I think that the peace sign she drew was, at least possibly, sincere. It is nice to be right. The peace sign was sincere. ---
**Author:** ![wjChia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d6d6ee/32.png) [@wjChia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wjChia)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/112 "2022-02-17T15:40:34Z")
When Murn was briefing Chris about Senator Goff in episode 3, when he mentioned that Goff was a strong proponent of climate change, I wondered if that would be a theme; guess I was kinda right? What would Season 2 be about? Judomaster is still around, wonder if he’ll actually do something more other than show up, beat up some of the protagonists, and then get knocked out YET AGAIN. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/113 "2022-02-17T15:58:30Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > It is nice to be right. The peace sign was sincere. Well, the peace sign was sincere as far as it went. Goff apparently genuinely wanted to recruit Peacemaker into her scheme. But that scheme was to continue murdering random innocent people in order to institute a racist, totalitarian dictatorship “for their own good”. That’s evil. And so was Goff. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/114 "2022-02-17T16:00:34Z")
Also, remember the part about tying up and torturing P and V instead of trying to recruit them? She talked nicey-nicey—when she wasn’t in control of the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/115 "2022-02-17T16:02:50Z")
I half-way expected the cow to metamorphisize into a flying form so that Peacemaker really would be fighting a Mothra. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/116 "2022-02-17T16:47:15Z")
Consistent with Peacemaker’s motto. And how the team functions, killing the security guard for example. The end, the mission, justifying the means. Assume for the sake of discussion that we knew as fact that her prediction is correct: left to our own devices we are going to kill ourselves off and take many other species down with us. Would saving not only the billions of current humans but the complete future of humanity justify the deaths, murders, of even several tens of thousands? It’s a long standing ethical debate and not completely clear to me that deciding many billions and the very existence of the species justifies killing tens of thousands is straight up evil. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/117 "2022-02-17T16:51:57Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > It’s a long standing ethical debate > **[Trolley Madness](https://existentialcomics.com/comic/106)** > > A philosophy webcomic about the inevitable anguish of living a brief life in an absurd world. Also Jokes ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/118 "2022-02-17T17:38:17Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Assume for the sake of discussion that we knew as fact that her prediction is correct: left to our own devices we are going to kill ourselves off and take many other species down with us. Would saving not only the billions of current humans but the complete future of humanity justify the deaths, murders, of even several tens of thousands? > > It’s a long standing ethical debate and not completely clear to me that deciding many billions and the very existence of the species justifies killing tens of thousands is straight up evil. Ok, sure, if we construct a spherical cow model of reality where we have absolute knowledge of initial conditions and we can predict with 100% precision the totality of all outcomes of all actions, we can debate the ethics of murdering several tens of thousands of innocent human beings right now for the sake of billions yet unborn. Oh, and also subjecting those billions of current humans who aren’t unlucky enough to be the sacrificial victims, but also all humans in the future, to a totalitarian dictatorship ruled by aliens who view humans as little more that livestock. The ethics of _that_ are just maybe worth discussing as well. Or assume for the sake of discussion that the Butterflies have no actual ability to solve any problems currently facing humanity, and in fact their attempts to “save” us will only accelerate our destruction. Or assume for the sake of discussion that neither we nor the Butterflies actually have absolute precognitive abilities, and we don’t actually know and have no way of actually knowing if the murders of several tens of thousands of human beings will actually save _anyone_. Or assume for the sake of discussion that murdering innocent people and instituting totalitarian dictatorships “for their own good” which are run by narrow, self-selected and self-perpetuating elites isn’t just a topic for the sake of discussion but has in fact been attempted several times in the real world in the last century. Did not saving not only the billions of current humans but the complete future of humanity justify the deaths of the victims of Stalin and Hitler and Mao and Pol Pot? > [@DSeid](#): > > Consistent with Peacemaker’s motto. And how the team functions, killing the security guard for example. The end, the mission, justifying the means. You…you do realize that Peacemaker isn’t actually a good guy, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/119 "2022-02-17T17:52:17Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > you do realize that Peacemaker isn’t actually a good guy, right? Debatable now. He is no longer the model for the Comedian, but he isn’t exactly a boy scout either. He started the series as an anti-hero but his arc changed him. He literally slayed his main demon, but it appears it still lingers in him. He grew as a person, developing real relationships with the surviving teammates. I think that he is closer to a hero now. Too bad Bat-Mite wasn’t in the last episode to clarify… ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829/120 "2022-02-17T18:16:22Z")
Oh, yeah, I totally agree with that. That was the whole arc of the show. Peacemaker was a straight-up _supervillain_ in _The Suicide Squad_, who had deluded himself into thinking he was a superhero. In this series, he started to really think about what he was doing and why, and grew and changed into a better man. Exactly the kind of growth and change that Bug!Murn very explicitly said he had stone the opportunity for from Hu!Murn. Literally the _only_ Butterfly who showed even the _slightest_ hesitation or consideration about murdering humans. At least Bug!Murn realized what he had done was wrong and awful, even if he felt like he had to do it for the “greater good”. The other Butterflies don’t even seem to _care_ that they’re murdering human beings. So, yeah, they’re not cackling villains who enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on innocent people. They’re fanatics who blithely and casually murder anyone and everyone in their way. Or just for their convenience. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/peacemaker-series/957829.md?page=7)