Heh. I’ve always wondered. Why are there more whites than blacks that hump on children? Could it be that whites have a genetic propensity to turn out as child molesters?
Do you have a cite for this? That whites are disproportionately child molestors - not that white child molestors simply outnumber black ones - whites outnumber blacks in the US by quite a bit - but that whites are over-represented.
Regards,
Shodan
Please don’t try to tell us that said girl was hitting on you, or was attracted to you. I used to love it when I was little and my dad would take me to the store with him, without my mom – does that mean I had the hots for my father? When she used to have her Christian Mother meetings, he’d let me stay up late and we’d have little “cheese and cracker” parties. (I was about three or four at the time)
By your logic, I wanted to have sex with my father. :dubious:
Two things about that don’t make sense to me. First of all, if what you really mean is that you’re concerned about the child being scarred by society as a result of what you believe is a consensual relationship with you, why do you not say that, instead of keep saying how not raping anyone is not difficult?
Second, if you believe a child is capable of givingf meaningful consent and determining for herself whether she wants to enter into a sexual relationship with an adult, how could you not also allow that same child the authority to determine whether she can handle the potential consequences of getting into a sexual relationship with you, if that’s what she decides to do? It’s like you’re trying to have it both ways. Maybe she wants to fight the unjust law with you and has the maturity to deal with it.
Possibly I believe that pedophiles including this Caeserio pervert should be given mandatory psychological treatment and possibly chemically treated. Better known as chemical castration which is an unfair and biased name for it.
Do you have any actual evidence that these interventions are effective in reducing sex crimes against children? Because I’ve not seen any.
Well we haven’t tried any large scale campaign only small scale.
Don’t flatter yourself, jack. Unlike most of the audience here, I’m quite familiar with your pro-pedophile agenda, and frankly, it’s rather tiresome. :rolleyes:
If Bill Gates were having sex with a low-level Microsoft employee, then yes, I think most people would deem that relationship inappropriate, if not precisely illegal.
One of the indicators of “exclusive” pedophilia is the inability to form appropriate social relations with adults, whether or not they are ever sexually attracted to adults.
Well, at least you acknowledge the potential damage done to the younger party, whether or not you perceive any damage done by the relationship itself. But you may want to review the type of fate awaiting people like yourself who do break the law, just in case you still want to imagine yourself as some kind of Freedom Fighter.
It’s not surprising that children are naturally drawn to any adult who focused their full attention on them. And it also underscores the perilous danger inherent in this type of attraction, especially if the adult misinterprets that response as a sexual attraction.
By the way, Cesario, at the risk of junior modding, you may want to rethink your confrontational attitude and your style of excessive line-item replies; it’s making your look immature and isn’t helping you argue your case.
And it sure hasn’t worked on a small scale.
How do other societies deal with them?
Doesn’t really impact what I was saying. They are allowed to report you even if you aren’t a clear threat to anyone, so you aren’t safe revealing yourself to professionals.
You haven’t read a thing I’ve posted, have you? I’ve posted a link to the study, and I’ve even given the reader’s digest version of the study’s methodology for people too lazy to click the link. Once again, the study used penile response comparisons to stimuli of nude adults and nude prepubescents with basic landscape images serving as buffers and control cases. 33% showed as much or more sexual arrousal to preubescent nude images than they did to adult nude images.
If you still don’t understand this, I’m afraid there’s nothing I can do for you.
And this cute little story is relevent to anything how?
So since adults aren’t too savvy, I guess that puts the lie to their inherent superiority. Concession accepted.
Again, that sophistocation extends really only to a social structure that the child isn’t a part of in the first place.
So it’s okay when they have different experiences in one case, but horrific and abusive in the other. Got you. :rolleyes:
NAMBLA or the homophobic bigots?
Have you compared that with the amount of time I spend dealing with bigots who display either willful ignorance or a truly astonishing lack of reading comprehension who are using my presence as an excuse to spew their violent, genocidal fantasies? Just curious what the breakdown is.
Not just a child. If an adult can’t meet these standards, they should be treated as a minor as far as statutory rape laws are concerned.
Yes, and?
Simple, if the baby can’t meet the standard (not a form, btw), they shouldn’t be treated as capable of consent. How many infants do you suspect would meet those standards?
In other words, your sympathy is reserved for those house niggers who spend their time lamenting their own inferiority. Got it.
Child molester, not pedophile. There’s a difference.
And it’s not reasonable from a practical standpoint, or a moral standpoint?
I didn’t ask “can you”. I asked “do you”, and you answer this far more appropriately below.
I gave you the post where all this started, and it has nothing to do with laws against child molesting. Or anything about child molesting for that matter. It seems you don’t even read your own posts. It’s about forcing “treatment” on unwilling subjects. Do try to keep up.
Once again, 33% of the adult male population are pedophiles. Your proposal for forced brainwashing requires that you secure the cooperation of 33% of the adult male population. Anyone you can’t convince to let you mind fuck them is going to resist. I don’t think you have a chance against those odds.
Your willful ignorance doesn’t really matter.
While you may be pathologically incapable of grasping this concept, people can rape people that they aren’t attracted to.
Perhaps you’ll recall who brought that up in the first place…
And yet you’ve never met someone who wanted to force their views and opinions on others. Amazing… :rolleyes:
No. Anyone who does so is a child molester. Pedophiles have to actually be attracted to children to count as pedophiles. Moreover, they have to actually preffer children over adults in order to count as pedophiles. If you want to call anyone who has any attraction to children a pedophile, you aren’t up against 33% of the population. You’re up against 85%.
You have failed english so badly that I can’t even parse what you’re trying to say there. Learn the difference between a pedophile and a child molester. Once you get your terminology straight, come back and try to rephrase this situation.
Again with the putting words in my mouth. Are my actual words not enough reason for you to hate and fear me?
It’s related to “missing white woman syndrome”. Since the parent is the most likely perpetrator of child molestation, and children are most often the same race as their parent, and the media only cares to report crimes against white people (or at least does so out of proportion to the general population), the media is far more likely to report about a white child molester.
Um, no. Just that she wasn’t creaped out by me. Why would you assume I thought she was hitting on me?
You clearly don’t understand my logic.
Because there is more than one issue at work, obviously.
First off, while my concern is what society would do to them, I recognize that there are plenty of children who simply don’t meet the requirements for meaningful consent, even as I acknowledge that some do. It is not exactly easy to determine, at a glance, which is which.
Secondly, the people I am responding to operate on the assumption that it is morally (rather than just legally) rape to have sex with a child, so their assumptions about me can be used to extrapolate to their expectations of their own behavior. By their own standards, it is about not raping people, and it genuinely does disturb me that so many people think it a reasonable course of action after being sufficiently sex-debrived.
Yes, this is a level of complexity I haven’t addressed directly.
You are right, of course. If she has that mental capacity, and that desire, while I’d feel morally obligated to try to talk her out of it with a full accounting of the consequences, if she was adamant about it, and of course met the requirements for meaningful consent in the first place, I’d be pretty well out of valid reasons to reject her advances.
(Assuming she was someone I’d want to have sex with in the first place, mind. I do have standards.)
I feel that outcome is unlikely, but this did start with a discussion of rediculusly unlikely fringe cases anyway.
It’s not a horribly complicated agenda. I’d be surprised if you weren’t at least passingly familiar. “Treat children like any other human beings.” Radical notion in these times, but hardly one I’d expect people to be unfamiliar with or have a hard time grasping.
Which would be an analogy to people in a direct position of authority. A teacher. A parent. That is not “any adult”. Concession accepted.
And?
Ever consider what happened to other freedom fighters when they came up against their local tyranical authorities? You’re not exactly drawing a huge disconnect.
I’m more curious about the adults who misinterpret that response as being creeped out.
Says the person who felt the need to start off with “I see through your agenda unlike the rest of these foolish schmucks”.
You keep quoting that cite. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Seriously, you should expand your search for data beyond whatever it was that you read on a Rene Guyon message board. Fact is, nobody has a clue how prevalent pedophilia is, mainly due to the lack of consensus on who should be counted as a pedophile. If you’re saying that 33% of adults are occasionally aroused by a person under the age of 18, that’s one thing. But I think you’ll find the percentage of grown-ups who are sexually attracted to INFANTS AND TODDLERS to be a much, much narrower slice of the population at large. Your current peer group does not represent the whole of humanity, and your opinion that it does is classic confirmation bias.
More familiar than most. That’s all I have to say about that, but if you search my early posting history you will run across what I’m talking about. (Presumably.)
Yes, treat them like human beings. No, do not treat them like objects of desire. There’s a difference.
(Please note that I did not specify sexual desire in that sentence – there are a million ways to objectify someone.)
And that’s precisely why pedophilia is listed in the DSM-IV as a mental disorder, whereas homosexuality, transsexuality, BDS&M, amputee fetishes, tentacle porn, and furries are not. It’s a psychological disconnect between your perception of socialization and actual reality itself. It’s that simple.
Yes – they get harassed, disenfranchised, exiled, imprisoned, tortured, executed, or worse. Occasionally, a rebellious group does succeed in overthrowing their evil oppressors (such as those pesky North American colonists who didn’t want to pay extra tea tax 230+ years ago) but those are the exception, not the norm, and the ones who do succeed tend to have a legitimate cause on their side, instead of being driven by some narcissistic, hystrionic craving for attention.
If it’s your goal to become a martyr and go out with a blaze of glory, go right ahead, I’ll sit back and watch. You’re not significant enough for me to come out of retirement for.
And you STILL don’t read. How many times am I going to need to go over the study’s methodology and definitions before you get it through your thick skull that the people who are “occasionally arroused” by prepubescents make up 85% of the population. The 33% figure represents those who’s attraction equals or exceeds their attraction to adult stimuli.
Does it take effort to be this selectively oblivious?
Not the least bit interested. Contrary to your apparently high opinion of yourself, you aren’t at all important to me.
Yep, no adult should ever be the object of someone’s desire either. All that crap about romance and relationships. Nope, all bullshit concocted to hide abuse, right? :rolleyes:
I continue to be amazed at the levels of congnative dissonance people are capable of bringing to bear when they feel a desperate need to deny the basic realities that exist on this subject.
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Once again, on the subject of the DSM:
Try reading it this time.
Precisely my point.
Yep, I’d agree that our odds are better than average too.
My, that was a pathetic threat.
Those so-called “homophobic bigots” had caught these men luring kids ages 8-14 into their house for sex, by promising them drugs and video games. You really, REALLY think that NAMBLA is the one who were justified in that case? :dubious:
I also think you might want to dropping the cross – I could go for some s’mores, and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
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Since what you are describing is coersion, and all charges were dropped, it seems that the new DA didn’t agree with your assessment of the situation.
Huh?
Agreed, but…why give him what he wants?
By the way, I am totally stealing that line. 
It’s really quite simple. If the object of your desires does not naturally have sex with an adult human, but that human desires them to do so, s/he has a paraphilia and a fetish (desire for sex with a nonsexual object).
Heterosexuals will spontaneously have sex with each other. Homosexuals will, too. Bisexuals will. Children don’t. You have to groom them. The grooming itself is tantamount to rape. Ergo, if you have ever had sex with a child, you raped him/her.
OP: Yes. You should feel sympathy for all of God’s creation. Especially since one can be a “pedophiliac” without being a child molester. They just masturbate to non-sexual images of children.
Not to clear on normal child sexuality, are you?
Funny, all the definitions of grooming I’ve ever heard read like establishing a friendship and a mentor relationship with someone. So you believe that everyone who establishes a friendship or mentor relationship with a child is the moral equivalent to a rapist? It’s an interesting idea. Utterly insane, but interesting.
So this has nothing to do with consent, then?
You can be a pedophile without that either. All that’s required is that you think kids are hot, moreso than you think adults are.
No action of any sort is required, not molestation, not masturbation, not collecting images, not grooming, no nothing. Just thoughts.
Cesario, YOU are the one that is unclear on normal child sexuality.
It is the moral equivalent if the intention is to ultimately have sexual relations with the child. It is also manipulative.
A prepubescent child does not have the capacity to consent to sexual relations with an adult.
The problem here is how long will it stay at “just thoughts”? How long until that special 6 year old “comes on to you” and you just can’t resist? How long until you decide that society deems you a molester, so you may as well do it?
You can not have sex with a prepubescent child without harming them. Period. As a matter of fact, convincing her that she has consented compounds the problem.
I have issue with this ‘slippery slope’ argumentation.
One might argue that I am a murderer. There have been many people I have thought I very much might like to kill. Getting rid of them from my life, release if you will, would be a pleasure. But I am perfectly capable of restraining myself.
One might argue that I’m into incest. My sister has grown up into quite a fine young lady. I can’t help noticing how attractive she has become. There’s definitely some sort of sexual attraction there. But I am perfectly capable of restraining myself.
One might argue I am a thief. There’s lots of things I’d want to steal and own for myself because I don’t have the money. But I am perfectly capable of restraining myself.
What goes on in our minds is quite scary to suddenly reveal to people. You may be one of the lucky ones who has completely pure thoughts every second of the day, but I don’t think I’m alone when I say that I do have, what society would consider, dark fantasies. But how long will they stay thoughts? What if someone tips me over the edge and I want strangle them to death? What if my sister finds me attractive and seeks me? What if I come across a car with the keys still in its ignition, with no witnesses around?
Well, that’s where your restraint is tested, and I have never not passed. I see no reason why Cesario should be any different.