# Pelosi and Schumer say they'll pass legislation to end the shutdown. How? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 23, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591 "2018-12-23T22:54:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/221 "2019-01-02T16:30:19Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Donald Trump shut down the government because people in the right-wing news called him a cuck. Bingo again. We’re here because Donald Trump doesn’t have the fortitude to stand up to _Ann Freakin’ Coulter._ ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/222 "2019-01-02T16:30:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It takes two sides for any debate. > > Somehow a compromise has to be found. > > … The shutdown occurred with Republicans in control of the house, senate, and white house. If the people who want the silly wall can’t agree about it, what do you suppose the Democrats are responsible for doing about it? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/223 "2019-01-02T16:31:30Z")
What can the Republicans possibly do? Mitch needs 10 Democrat votes to pass a bill in the Senate. That’s assuming every Republican supports the bill. No one wants to see the The 60-vote rule end. That’s just making a bad situation worse. We certainly don’t want to end bipartisan support entirely. It’s served the country well for too long. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/224 "2019-01-02T16:33:15Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > What can the Republicans possibly do? Compromise. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/225 "2019-01-02T16:34:11Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Bingo again. We’re here because Donald Trump doesn’t have the fortitude to stand up to _Ann Freakin’ Coulter._ To stand up for a principle or a goal, you first have to have one. Donnie, at some point, seems to know he’s out of his element, and is easily swayed by people who seem _to him_ both to know what they’re talking about and to be happy to lick his boots. Fox to the rescue. He isn’t standing up to Coulter or Ingraham or any of them because he literally wants them to tell him what to do. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/226 "2019-01-02T16:34:49Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It takes two sides for any debate. > > Somehow a compromise has to be found. > > I don’t know how far Trump will shift his position. He will eventually be forced to meet the Democrats half way. Pressure will grow as the shutdown drags on. Trump should be forced to meet the Democrats _all they way_, not half way. Never give an inch, that’s what I say. Individual One needs to be dealt a complete and utter loss. Since this is a stupid issue, it’s perfect for sticking it to him. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/227 "2019-01-02T16:35:42Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > What can the Republicans possibly do? > > Mitch needs 10 Democrat votes to pass a bill in the Senate. That’s assuming every Republican supports the bill. > > No one wants to see the The60-voterule end. That’s just making a bad situation worse. > > We certainly don’t want to end bipartisan support entirely. It’s served the country well for too long. They can vote the Democratic budget in with a veto-proof 60-person majority, then Mitch can go to the President and say “we have the votes to override your veto.” They _can_, but they won’t. Not yet. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/228 "2019-01-02T16:40:32Z")
The Democrats support the bipartisan position – the bill that the Senate passed with overwhelming bipartisan support. Trump supports the Limbaugh/Coulter position. Further, Trump is dishonest and dishonorable, and regularly changes his mind even after agreeing to things. There’s no way to negotiate with such a dishonorable and dishonest party. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/229 "2019-01-02T16:43:13Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > What can the Republicans possibly do? > > Mitch needs 10 Democrat votes to pass a bill in the Senate. He had 47 Democrat votes and two independent votes to pass a republican-written bill in the senate. What happened to that? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/230 "2019-01-02T16:51:19Z")
Washington Post has a well written article on McConnell’s role in the shutdown negotiations. He’s been uncharacteristically disengaged since the shutdown. > **[McConnell at center of shutdown impasse but uncharacteristically disengaged](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/mcconnell-at-center-of-shutdown-impasse--but-uncharacteristically-disengaged/2018/12/29/1c1e62c6-0ab6-11e9-a3f0-71c95106d96a_story.html)** > > The sidelines is an unusual place to find the Senate leader and veteran dealmaker, especially during a budget breakdown — one he may have difficulty resolving with Republicans who are fearful of crossing Trump. > [@](#): > > Allies point out that in budget fights under the Obama administration, it was up to McConnell to corral recalcitrant Republicans to make a deal with a Democratic administration, something he did successfully in high-pressure moments time and again. In this shutdown fight, though, the dynamic is reversed and it’s up to Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — who is poised to be speaker once Democrats take over the House on Jan. 3 — to find the votes for legislation that Trump will sign, Republicans say. > > “The difference between his position now and his position over the last 10 years is he was representing the party that had the impasse in final negotiations, so it was incumbent on him to find a way out of the impasse,” said Josh Holmes, a McConnell adviser and former chief of staff to the Senate majority leader. > > “Now, there is no impasse in his conference; they’re united,” Holmes said. “So when people say McConnell should come in and negotiate a way out of this, they’re asking him to negotiate against himself.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/231 "2019-01-02T17:05:30Z")
[Probably posted already](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/house-dems-ready-strategy-to-re-open-government-upon-assuming-control/2018/12/31/bfe4773a-0d16-11e9-84fc-d58c33d6c8c7_story.html?utm_term=.f701cca7a924), but WaPo has an article detailing Pelosi’s strategy starting tomorrow: 1. Break up the appropriations into a series of bills, only one of which could possibly contain funding for the wall. 2. Pass these bills with the same appropriations the Republicans voted for in December 2018. 3. For the one appropriations bill which impacts Homeland Security, pass with no increase in DHS funding _but_ only fund DHS for one month, allowing the wall issue to be punted for a month while the rest of the government is funded through September. 4. Dare the Republicans to vote against their own, already-agreed upon, appropriations for, say, the Dept of Agriculture because a completely unrelated bill has no wall funding. **Aceplace** , this sounds like a strategy which accomplishes all your goals - gets the gov’t funded while still not nixing Individual-1’s plan for a wall. Do you agree with it? Does it sound like the Democrats are doing the best they can with the bad faith actor(s) on the other side? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/232 "2019-01-02T17:14:59Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > What can the Republicans possibly do? At 4:01 pm today, Paul Ryan could call for a House vote on the CR that the Senate passed 100-0. (Remember that? :)) If there were such a vote, it would almost certainly pass the House. > [@](#): > > Mitch needs 10 Democrat votes to pass a bill in the Senate. That’s assuming every Republican supports the bill. Mitch could only get 47 votes for the House bill. If he can’t get all of his own caucus to vote for a bill, why should the Dems help? > [@](#): > > No one wants to see the The 60-vote rule end. News to me. Got a cite for that? Obviously most Americans aren’t even aware of the rule. But among those that are, many would like to get rid of it - hell, even Trump has spoken against it! On the Dem side in particular, many activists have wanted to see the filibuster end for a long time now, as they know it gives 41 Senate Republicans a complete veto over any Dem legislation. > [@](#): > > We certainly don’t want to end bipartisan support entirely. It’s served the country well for too long. Bipartisanship is good. Any evidence that this rule aids it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/233 "2019-01-02T17:21:34Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > 1. Dare the Republicans to vote against their own, already-agreed upon, appropriations for, say, the Dept of Agriculture because a completely unrelated bill has no wall funding. That’s the party that voted against their own health care plan. Don’t think they won’t do it again, not if they think the Deplorables want it that way. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/234 "2019-01-02T17:23:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Probably posted already](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/house-dems-ready-strategy-to-re-open-government-upon-assuming-control/2018/12/31/bfe4773a-0d16-11e9-84fc-d58c33d6c8c7_story.html?utm_term=.f701cca7a924), but WaPo has an article detailing Pelosi’s strategy starting tomorrow: > > 1. Break up the appropriations into a series of bills, only one of which could possibly contain funding for the wall. > 2. Pass these bills with the same appropriations the Republicans voted for in December 2018. > 3. For the one appropriations bill which impacts Homeland Security, pass with no increase in DHS funding _but_ only fund DHS for one month, allowing the wall issue to be punted for a month while the rest of the government is funded through September. > 4. Dare the Republicans to vote against their own, already-agreed upon, appropriations for, say, the Dept of Agriculture because a completely unrelated bill has no wall funding. > > **Aceplace** , this sounds like a strategy which accomplishes all your goals - gets the gov’t funded while still not nixing Individual-1’s plan for a wall. Do you agree with it? Does it sound like the Democrats are doing the best they can with the bad faith actor(s) on the other side? They are trying to weaken the bargaining position for Republicans. Leaving nothing but DHS’ budget to negotiate. It is a way to end the stalemate. It may be the only way to get people back working. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/235 "2019-01-02T18:33:45Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > They can vote the Democratic budget in with a veto-proof 60-person majority, then Mitch can go to the President and say “we have the votes to override your veto.” > > They _can_, but they won’t. Not yet. Er, it takes 67 votes to override a veto, not 60. Also, it takes 290 votes in the House; do they have that as well? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/236 "2019-01-02T19:08:03Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Er, it takes 67 votes to override a veto, not 60. Also, it takes 290 votes in the House; do they have that as well? The “no wall” funding bill passed 100-0 in the senate, it would pass overwhelmingly in the house. Trump could veto it like he’s promised and then the senate could override it. But that will make Trump look bad, so there’s a chance McConnell won’t even hold a vote on it until Trump announce that he’ll sign it. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/237 "2019-01-02T19:18:15Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > On 12/27, the Senate was in session for [literally four minutes](https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/floor_activity/12_27_2018_Senate_Floor.htm), then adjourned. The House was even faster - it was in session [for 2 minutes, 56 seconds](http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx?day=20181227). They are called _pro forma_ sessions. It happens on a regular basis in both the House and Senate, regardless of which party has the leadership. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/238 "2019-01-02T19:19:36Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > They are called _pro forma_ sessions. It happens on a regular basis in both the House and Senate, regardless of which party has the leadership. And what is the minority party supposed to do during a pro forma session? Trump seems to think they should have done something. What should they have done? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/239 "2019-01-02T19:55:07Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It takes two sides for any debate. > > Somehow a compromise has to be found. > > I don’t know how far Trump will shift his position. He will eventually be forced to meet the Democrats half way. Pressure will grow as the shutdown drags on. And it takes one side to completely fuck up a debate. Trump is not interested in compromise. Never has been, never will be. Trump will not shift his position. He might lie and SAY he will, but then he will change his mind and shaft the other party. This is what he does. He has made no secret of this. Anyone who expects Trump to change his methods now for some reason is a fool. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/240 "2019-01-02T19:57:11Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > … What should they have done? Paid the ransom? In pesos. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591.md?page=13)