# Pelosi and Schumer say they'll pass legislation to end the shutdown. How? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 23, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591 "2018-12-23T22:54:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/21 "2018-12-24T01:20:56Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > We already have a wall along part of the border. That ship sailed 15 years ago. It’ll probably never be fully completed. You can’t build a wall in the mountains. Sounds like you understand the marginal benefit of building additional walls is pretty low? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/22 "2018-12-24T01:23:39Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Back on topic. > > What could Pelosi and Schumer possibly do Jan 3? > > There’s no chance they’ll get a 2/3 veto proof majority. They could come up with a funding bill that does not fund the wall, and is reasonable enough that Trump would look even more selfish if he vetoed it. E.g. it could allocate additional funds for border security, but not the wall. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/23 "2018-12-24T01:43:08Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m surprised Trump hasn’t publicly supported this campaign. Almost 50% of America supports border security. If so, that means over 50% DON’T. Over half your countrymen don’t “support border security,” as you put it. They may be anywhere from indifferent to the issue to hostile to the wall. In a republic, do we generally take on public works projects that a majority of the populace, on reflection, aver that they don’t want? Do we declare eminent domain on huge chunks of border cities for something that isn’t even popular nationwide, let alone in those cities? In a republic, with property rights? Is that what we do? The wall is a monstrous idea. Give it up, please. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/24 "2018-12-24T01:47:53Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > We already have a wall along part of the border. That ship sailed 15 years ago. It’ll probably never be fully completed. You can’t build a wall in the mountains. > > One interesting development is the 16 million already pledged for the wall. > [https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall](https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall) > > I’m surprised Trump hasn’t publicly supported this campaign. Almost 50% of America supports border security. I think the go fund could reach it’s 1 billion goal if the Republicans get behind the campaign. That would ease some of the political pressure. Ah yes, the GoFundMe started by [this guy](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/founder-viral-fundraiser-trump-s-border-wall-has-fake-news-n950636): > [@](#): > > Kolfage also ran Right Wing News’ shuttered affiliate sites including VeteranAF and FreedomDaily, which pushed false conspiracy theories, like ones claiming Hillary Clinton was secretly hiding deadly illnesses and fake voter fraud stories days before the 2016 election. > > Those sites stopped operating in March, replaced with a string of text that said “This Website Has Gone Out of Business.” > > The shuttering of Kolfage’s sites came a month after Michigan man Joel Vangheluwe sued FreedomDaily and other right wing sites for misidentifying him as the driver of the car that plowed into a group of peaceful protestors at a 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. The FreedomDaily article relied on the image board 4chan as its major source, according to a letter provided to the court by the contributor named in the suit. Kolfage was not listed as a defendant. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Colossus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.colossus/32/9423_2.png) [@Dr.Colossus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Colossus)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/25 "2018-12-24T02:49:47Z")
Hey **aceplace57** I’m not relenting until you address the fact that Trump EMPHATICALLY PROMISED that Mexico was going to pay for this. Is Trump just a garbage-bag negotiator or a liar? Why aren’t you holding him accountable to that promise? I do not think there needs to be any discussion about a border wall until Red-Hatters logically and conclusively discuss Trump’s promise that Mexico would pay for it. I suspect you know you have zero intellectual ground and will continue to ignore me. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/26 "2018-12-24T02:57:56Z")
I respect the fuck out of Kolfage’s sacrifice serving in the Air Force. I’m grateful to him, grateful for him, and love him with all my heart… And he’s also a reactionary asshole idiot. His GFM idea is populist af, and fairly clever, and I support the passion behind it… And is hasn’t a whelk’s chance of ever getting funded. It’s a publicity stunt, that’s all, and anyone with an ounce of sense recognizes it for what it is. As for the OP, I agree with above posts and consider it likely that Pelosi will put the Senate text, or very near to it, to a vote in the first week of the new Congress. I think it’s also likely that it will pass resoundingly, with bipartisan support, and then get dropped on the Resolute with a post-it attached reading “Dare you to veto.” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/27 "2018-12-24T03:20:59Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > Hey **aceplace57** > > I’m not relenting until you address the fact that Trump EMPHATICALLY PROMISED that Mexico was going to pay for this. Is Trump just a garbage-bag negotiator or a liar? Why aren’t you holding him accountable to that promise? > > I do not think there needs to be any discussion about a border wall until Red-Hatters logically and conclusively discuss Trump’s promise that Mexico would pay for it. > > I suspect you know you have zero intellectual ground and will continue to ignore me. I never expected Mexico to fund the wall. That was stupid campaign rhetoric championed by Trump. I support building parts of a wall and substituting sensors & cameras where possible. We need border security, but in a way that’s practical. Trump is asking way too much. He would need 30 billion to actually build what he wants. I hope a reasonable compromise can be negotiated and the gov. gets funded. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/28 "2018-12-24T03:30:23Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > … Almost 50% of America supports border security… [Polling support for a wall:](http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_Immigration_1812051721.pdf#page=3) Overall only 30% think it should be an immediate priority, 27% of Independents. It’s not even a majority who feel that among “soft Republicans” (includes leaners); only “strong Republicans” hit that majority. His base of “white not college graduate” is less than a majority thinking immediate priority and almost as many feel it should not be a priority at all. Honestly I think near 100% of Americans are for border security. It’s just that fewer of us are for stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/29 "2018-12-24T04:31:15Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > The OP might want to remember that the Senate passed a clean resolution 100-0. > > Look at that number. 100-0. Unanimity. A done deal. > > Want to bet that Pelosi will get a bill passed in the House that exactly matches that Senate bill? That the bill passed by both houses will go to Trump? That such a bill won’t be vetoed? > > Remember that Trump blew up the 100-0 deal because Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh yelled at him. You know how many people are going to be yelling at him when the shutdown lasts into January? He’s not a bull, he’s bullshit, soft and squishy and smelly. When he’s stepped on, he caves. Pelosi and Schumer are going to step on him hard, and for the next two years. Well said. The OP’s error is in framing this situation as though the two parties were negotiating from similar standpoints–as though they were simply two equivalent but opposing ideas about how to keep the government operational. But this is not the case. (By the way, it’s just 25% of the government in question, here–not the whole thing.) Schumer and Pelosi are just proposing a continuing resolution through February which both branches of congress can agree to. It’s just a basic agreement to keep things operational, and doesn’t involve any big concessions on either side. In short, they’re legislating. They doing their job. Trump, on the other hand, is solely engaging in a publicity stunt, with no clue or concern about how government works. He’s pandering to the audiences of Coulter and Limbaugh. He likes the sound of the phrase “government shutdown,” because he thinks it makes him seem tough. The wall itself doesn’t really matter for him–he himself has admitted that it’s all just for his image. And he’s perfectly willing to let the people of the country pay this huge price for his image–to pay for a wall that won’t even solve these problems, which he grossly exaggerates anyway. It’s a $30 billion fantasy. Everyone in Congress knows this, too. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/30 "2018-12-24T04:39:24Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I never expected Mexico to fund the wall. That was stupid campaign rhetoric championed by Trump. Fine. Then why can’t Pelosi say: “I never expected Trump would actually try to build the wall. That was stupid campaign rhetoric championed by Trump. So, we don’t need to vote for funding for a wall.” Or is there a Super-Secret Decoding Ring that allows you to say the “Mexico pays” part was campaign rhetoric, but “Build the wall” was a locked-down commitment? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/31 "2018-12-24T05:18:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Almost 50% of America supports border security. I think the go fund could reach it’s 1 billion goal if the Republicans get behind the campaign. That would ease some of the political pressure. “border security” does not equal “trumps wall”. > **[69% of Americans Don’t Think Trump's Border Wall Is a Priority, Poll Says](https://fortune.com/2018/12/12/trump-border-wall-poll/)** > > Only 21% agree with Trump's current tactic of not compromising in favor of building the wall. _Building a wall along the country’s southern border has been a mainstay of Trump’s campaign promises, however, a majority of Americans (57%) think Trump should compromise to avoid gridlock, poll findings revealed. Only 21% agree with Trump’s current tactic of not compromising in favor of building the wall._ ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/32 "2018-12-24T06:42:27Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I never expected Mexico to fund the wall. That was stupid campaign rhetoric championed by Trump. > > I support building parts of a wall and substituting sensors & cameras where possible. We need border security, but in a way that’s practical. In other words, almost exactly what we’re already doing. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/33 "2018-12-24T08:55:08Z")
> [@Dr.Colossus](#): > > I’m not relenting until you address the fact that Trump EMPHATICALLY PROMISED that Mexico was going to pay for this. Is Trump just a garbage-bag negotiator or a liar? Why aren’t you holding him accountable to that promise? Well, you see, what Trump meant by that is that _New_ Mexico will pay for the wall. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/34 "2018-12-24T11:58:21Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m not seeing any grown ups on any side of this mess. Pelosi and Schumer are saying no wall! That’s not how you negotiate. The White House has said several times the 5 billion is negotiable. > > Eventually a smaller amount will go towards the wall. The comprise bill last week had 1.5 billion but not one penny could be used on a wall. It was for border security. > > Eliminate that restriction and the budget crises can be settled for now. Give me $50,000 so I can put bars on your windows, even if you don’t particularly want them. Wait, why are you refusing to negotiate? The amount is negotiable. You could spend half that. Saying NO bars on your window is childish. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/35 "2018-12-24T12:03:21Z")
Congress is fully supportive of border security. They refuse to spend a cent on a useless full-length border Wall. Trump must learn to compromise. ---
**Author:** ![Alpha\_Twit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alpha_twit/32/265_2.png) [@Alpha\_Twit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpha_Twit)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/36 "2018-12-24T13:06:32Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Trump must learn… Do you see the problem here? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/37 "2018-12-24T13:58:10Z")
> [@Alpha\_Twit](#): > > Do you see the problem here? I implied that Trump was capable of learning? ---
**Author:** ![Blues\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc79bd/32.png) [@Blues\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blues_Man)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/38 "2018-12-24T14:06:09Z")
I wonder how long the government will have to be shut down for most people to notice. I for one have never been affected by any government shut down and I’m willing to bet that most people weren’t either ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/39 "2018-12-24T14:38:00Z")
> [@Blues\_Man](#): > > I wonder how long the government will have to be shut down for most people to notice. > > I for one have never been affected by any government shut down and I’m willing to bet that most people weren’t either Most of us who are upper middle class aren’t significantly affected by government actions in general. And with this one only affecting parts of the government while leaving other parts untouched, it’ll affect fewer people than usual. (True story: my wife and I work for the same government agency, but my work is funded and hers isn’t. On Wednesday, she will be on furlough, but I won’t.) But while Social Security and Medicare checks will continue to arrive during the shutdown, apparently food stamps won’t. Be glad that you don’t need that sort of assistance. In buildings that are closed due to the shutdown, a lot of support people - cleaning crew, security guards, cafeteria workers, etc. - are hired through contractors; they aren’t government employees. While the shutdown continues, they will not get paid. I’m sure there are plenty of others directly affected, but those are the examples I remember off the top of my head. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/40 "2018-12-24T14:46:55Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > But while Social Security and Medicare checks will continue to arrive during the shutdown, apparently food stamps won’t. Be glad that you don’t need that sort of assistance. [I think Food Stamps are funded](https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending-now/government-shutdown-what-will-close-will-you-get-your-social-security-check-snap-wic-/893075021): > [@](#): > > The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, which used to be called the Food Stamp Program, will continue to be funded and SNAP benefits would continue to be distributed. WIC, however, might be affected, according to that article. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591.md?page=3)