# Pelosi and Schumer say they'll pass legislation to end the shutdown. How? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 23, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591 "2018-12-23T22:54:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/81 "2018-12-25T18:54:37Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > In buildings that are closed due to the shutdown, a lot of support people - cleaning crew, security guards, cafeteria workers, etc. - are hired through contractors; they aren’t government employees. While the shutdown continues, they will not get paid. > [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Most of the federal government is not affected by the shutdown. > > 75% (roughly) of the government is already funded. Just curious what is covered, since I see a Nine Federal Agencies are shuttered. > [@](#): > > The trouble, of course, is that the closed up facilities tend to cluster among certain federal agencies that aren’t deemed to be “critical”. So, for example, since making sure terrorists don’t get on airplanes with guns, all those TSA employees who make you take out the liquids and remove your belt, etc., will be working. That’s a lot of employees. But you’ll be out of luck if you’re currently involved with the IRS, as they (for the most part) aren’t considered critical. That’s roughly 52,000 employees, btw. > > The one that shocked me was NASA. Ninety-six percent of NASA employees will be furloughed. Presumably, that doesn’t include the New Horizons staff. :eek: I used to work for a NASA contractor, so it depends on the contract structure. Ours was set up that we kept working through the government shutdowns while our civil service customers had to stay home. So much of NASA will still be working via contractors. Also, while the folks that work will likely get back pay, the ones who are furloughed likely won’t get paid for their time off. They will have to burn sick leave or other paid leave if they want a paycheck. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Maybe something good could come of this shutdown, as the newest Trumptweet points out: > > > [@](#): > > > > The Wall is different than the 25 Billion Dollars in Border Security. The complete Wall will be built with the Shutdown money plus funds already in hand. The reporting has been inaccurate on the point. The problem is, without the Wall, much of the rest of Dollars are wasted! > [@Sherrerd](#): > > The moron believes that government shutdowns _save_ money. Yeah, what is “Shutdown money”? Is he thinking the money not spent during the shutdown is savings to the government? Because a huge chunk of that will be paid back once the shutdown is over, and the costs to the economy of lost productivity and people without paychecks is an impact. > [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that 100-0 vote was at the point that Trump had said he would accept such a bill. Then Trump got his marching orders from Fox and changed his (to use the term loosely) mind. At that point Ryan refused to allow a vote on it and substituted a bill that funded the wall. At any rate the bill that got the 100-0 vote dies on Jan. 3 and is unlikely to make it through the senate after all that has been happening. McConnell certainly will not allow the senate to consider a bill Trump says he will veto. This could go on a good long time. This is a good point, the 100-0 vote in the Senate was predicated on an assumption that Trump would sign it. It may be a different story if Congress has to confront and override Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/82 "2018-12-25T19:08:32Z")
**Blues Man** , do you pay taxes? Because if so, you’ve been affected by previous government shutdowns. Shutdowns cost money, and that’s money that you, a taxpayer, ended up paying that you shouldn’t have to have paid. Of course, there are many people who suffered a much greater impact, too. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/83 "2018-12-26T19:07:41Z")
The Democrats should propose a funding bill that authorizes $5 billion for the wall, but only as matching amounts for funding supplied by Mexico. Then it’s up to the Great Negotiator™ to get Mexico to pay their share. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/84 "2018-12-26T19:20:49Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > that is challenging bald-faced misstatements with truth… Telling the truth is mean! Also, unfair! ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/85 "2018-12-27T00:36:05Z")
> [@Bookkeeper](#): > > The Democrats should propose a funding bill that authorizes $5 billion for the wall, but only as matching amounts for funding supplied by Mexico. Then it’s up to the Great Negotiator™ to get Mexico to pay their share. Hasn’t Trump already claimed that Mexico has already paid for the wall through the additional money the USA will make by the new trade deal (the NAFTA replacement)? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/86 "2018-12-27T04:22:57Z")
The Senate passed a CR on 12/19. Did it go to the Resolute desk? Did the America-hating Fuckstick veto it? If not, doesn’t it go into effect on 12/29 (ten days later)? Somebody please explain why the understanding of the pocket veto that I achieved when I was twelve doesn’t apply in this instance. TIA. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/87 "2018-12-27T04:29:11Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The Senate passed a CR on 12/19. Did it go to the Resolute desk? > > Did the America-hating Fuckstick veto it? If not, doesn’t it go into effect on 12/29 (ten days later)? > > Somebody please explain why the understanding of the pocket veto that I achieved when I was twelve doesn’t apply in this instance. > > TIA. The House didn’t vote on it. Apparently it was going to come up for a vote, but when T changed his mind, they decided to not bother. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/88 "2018-12-27T04:29:43Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The Senate passed a CR on 12/19. Did it go to the Resolute desk? > > Did the America-hating Fuckstick veto it? If not, doesn’t it go into effect on 12/29 (ten days later)? > > Somebody please explain why the understanding of the pocket veto that I achieved when I was twelve doesn’t apply in this instance. > > TIA. The bill never went to Trump. There were differences between the Senate bill and the House bill, so it would have had to go to a “conference” committee to work out an identical bill, which then both houses would have to pass. It never got even that far. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/89 "2018-12-27T04:48:59Z")
Oh. I had thought that the Senate resolution was an identical version of one that the House had already voted on. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/90 "2018-12-27T22:50:16Z")
Theoretically could the House vote on the Senate bill already passed, or does the Senate vote expire on January 3rd? IIRC it passed the Senate unanimously (enough to override a veto, or do they revote?) Not there is enough to override in the house even after the Dems take control. Just curious, Brian ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/91 "2018-12-28T02:06:58Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Theoretically could the House vote on the Senate bill already passed, or does the Senate vote expire on January 3rd? IIRC it passed the Senate unanimously (enough to override a veto, or do they revote?) Not there is enough to override in the house even after the Dems take control. > > Just curious, > Brian The House could vote on a new bill in the next congress that has a text identical to the previous Senate bill. But yes, all previously unpassed bills were part of the previous congress and have expired. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/92 "2018-12-28T03:27:26Z")
> [@andros](#): > > The House could vote on a new bill in the next congress that has a text identical to the previous Senate bill. But yes, all previously unpassed bills were part of the previous congress and have expired. Isn’t the old Congress still in session? I thought they came back today after the Christmas break, and still have until January 2 to deal with pending bills? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/93 "2018-12-28T03:32:06Z")
No, they adjourned today. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/94 "2018-12-28T03:33:37Z")
[Government shutdown looks set to drag on to 2019 after House and Senate adjourn until next week](https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/politics/shutdown-update-thursday/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/95 "2018-12-28T04:42:30Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The moron believes that government shutdowns _save_ money. Oh, but don’t you see how that would work? As a [blog commenter put it](http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2018/12/trump-doesnt-understand-how-anything.html#comment-4255495045) over at No More Mister Nice Blog: > [@](#): > > Clearly, Tom, you are not a very stable genius like our President, or you would understand the intricacy of his thinking. > > See, while all that money in salaries isn’t being spent during the shutdown, he makes money off the float, which he then uses as a down payment on the wall, which he then mortgages at a very low rate of interest by borrowing the money from himself. He then sells the debt to the Mexican government, and that’s how Mexico pays for the wall, since we do the logical thing and default. See? Easy-peasy! > > Yours crankily, > The New York Crank ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/96 "2018-12-28T04:45:34Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Schumer does know he won’t control the Senate? This nitwit is this the \* Minority leader \*.He can’t do squat. But President Trump said this was all being done by the Democrats. So you must be mistaken in your belief that the Republicans hold any power in Congress. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/97 "2018-12-28T12:48:06Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > [Government shutdown looks set to drag on to 2019 after House and Senate adjourn until next week](https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/politics/shutdown-update-thursday/index.html). Wow, they showed up for just a few hours yesterday before giving up and walking away? 1. For now at least, they control House, Senate, and the White House. And they can’t get their act together and pass _something??_ 2. If they weren’t going to show up for but a few hours before heading back home, quite seriously, why did they bother at all? They should really just figure out a way to usher in the new Congress now, rather than having to wait until next Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/98 "2018-12-28T13:34:52Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They should have realized that kind of attitude would enrage Trump. You don’t goad an angry bull. Stand up to him, Yes! But, don’t try to humiliate the President right in the Oval Office. Uh, _who_ was it that invited the press to what Pelosi and Schumer expected to be a private conference? Besides, Donny Two-scoops said in front of those same reporters that he would take responsibility for the shut down and be proud of it, not the two Dems. > [@aceplace57](#): > > I never expected Mexico to fund the wall. That was stupid campaign rhetoric championed by Trump. How kind of you, but that’s not the meme he’s pushing right now. Promises made [[del]Promises kept[/del]](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-promise-tracker/?utm_term=.e28ec280cd5d) If the 292,413 people on Kolfage’s GoFundMe page have such big hard-ons for the wall, they need to cough up more than an average of $60.74 each and leave the rest of us out of it. Let 'em give those big tax cuts Donny gave 'em; they’ll be reimbursed when Mexico coughs up the dough. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/99 "2018-12-28T23:35:43Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Oh, but don’t you see how that would work? As a [blog commenter put it](http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2018/12/trump-doesnt-understand-how-anything.html#comment-4255495045) over at No More Mister Nice Blog: > > > [@](#): > > > > Clearly, Tom, you are not a very stable genius like our President, or you would understand the intricacy of his thinking. > > See, while all that money in salaries isn’t being spent during the shutdown, he makes money off the float, which he then uses as a down payment on the wall, which he then mortgages at a very low rate of interest by borrowing the money from himself. He then sells the debt to the Mexican government, and that’s how Mexico pays for the wall, since we do the logical thing and default. See? Easy-peasy! … Oh, sure. Mexico won’t see that coming at _all_. But all raillery aside: of course the Trumpkins can recite to each other “sure-fire plans” under which some combination of machinations results in “Mexico pays”…but they have to know that all this is far from what Trump promised. Trump promised that he was the Biggest Bully on the Block, and if they became his toadies, they’d be swimming in champagne and caviar. (Or in beer and fried pork rinds, if they preferred.) The Biggest Bully on the Block would MAKE Mexico hand over cash, because he was so awesome! Mexico would have no choice! In the event: not so awesome. Global laughing-stock, in fact. On some level Trump’s fans must be having trouble with this, bluster though they may. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/100 "2018-12-28T23:55:46Z")
“We’ve gone from Mexico will pay for the wall to shutting down business with our third largest trading partner, $587 billion a year, if Americans don’t pay for the wall. Well done, guys.” [https://t.co/Hv6qyx4Q8O](https://t.co/Hv6qyx4Q8O) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591.md?page=6)