# Pelosi and Schumer say they'll pass legislation to end the shutdown. How? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 23, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591 "2018-12-23T22:54:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/161 "2018-12-30T13:17:56Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Trump is punishing himself for nothing by canceling his holiday plans. > > Congress isn’t in session, but he tweets that he’s there waiting? > > I guess that’s his PR strategy? I’m here, where’s the D’s? The media isn’t biting and the strategy isn’t working. > > [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423184-trump-tells-dems-to-come-on-over-and-make-a-deal-as-shutdown-enters](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423184-trump-tells-dems-to-come-on-over-and-make-a-deal-as-shutdown-enters) It was long well known in the business sector he was never a very good negotiator and never a very good manager. He has a certain brilliance in marketing but that can not over come his other incompetences. I was amused to read yesterday an article in Flipboard (merci Samsung preinstalls) of the producer of the show Apprentice citing their challenges in editing the show to make it seem coherent as Trump would go off in directions that made no sense and was not supported by the actual perforances, but he did not pay attention, would react to the last stimulus he had, etc… Sadly the American right has bought into a man who is a clear con man of mediocre real skills… it is disappointing to see. ---
**Author:** ![carlb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carlb/32/5930_2.png) [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/162 "2018-12-30T14:24:22Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Who the hell is saying “give in?” Let’s be very clear that no one, including myself, is saying give Donnie the five large and hope for a miracle. The opposite is true, let some hostages go and give us some goodies, then we’ll fund a rounding error. > > In other words, Master Negotiator turned down $25B earlier this year, so make him suck up to giving away a lot more for a lot less. Win Win. Dems get DACA and a whole bag of Santa’s goodies, and trumpy gets $5 large that won’t do jack. This is a fire sale. $5B is prolly less than what the Koch brothers are spending, and the bang for the buck is huge. And next time this wannabe terrorist wants to “negotiate” then bring down the price tag and ante up on the quid pro quo. It’s a rationale way to extract maximum gains for minimum dollars. This strategy _ **might** _ work in normal times, when the President and his party that has the majority in the Senate are working more or less in unison toward their party’s goals. These are not normal times. In order for the House Democrats to advance any of their own legislative goals, they have to negotiate with the Republican Senate to get something that will pass both houses. _Then_ they have to be sure that the President will sign the legislation, _or_ that the Republicans in the Senate will over-ride his veto. As far as I know, there have been no Senate veto over-rides of this President, and no signs that any are forthcoming. Therefore, the House Democrats have to have some assurances that a mutually-agreeable bill will get through both houses _and_ that someone who has proven himself time and again to be a faithless “negotiator” will stand by an agreement to sign said bill. House Democrats would have to be complete and utter idiots to count on the President’s word regarding anything, and leadership, at least, are not idiots. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/163 "2018-12-30T14:28:33Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > It was long well known in the business sector he was never a very good negotiator and never a very good manager. > > He has a certain brilliance in marketing but that can not over come his other incompetences. > > I was amused to read yesterday an article in Flipboard (merci Samsung preinstalls) of the producer of the show Apprentice citing their challenges in editing the show to make it seem coherent as Trump would go off in directions that made no sense and was not supported by the actual perforances, but he did not pay attention, would react to the last stimulus he had, etc… > > Sadly the American right has bought into a man who is a clear con man of mediocre real skills… it is disappointing to see. The American right doesn’t want to know anything that doesn’t fit in their narrative of what the truth supposedly is. They’re in an information bubble. They will be the last to know and acknowledge how utterly disastrous and incompetent he turns out to be, and even then, probably only a quarter of his supporters would even consider acknowledging it then. This is going to get worse before it gets better, partly because I don’t think people realize yet how consequential his fuck ups are going to be. Despite the stock market roller coaster, the economy is seemingly pretty good at the moment. But that will change. Trump is a chaos president and he’s hiring people based not on their skills, knowledge, and competence, but on their wealth and loyalty. That usually doesn’t end well. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/164 "2018-12-30T15:25:00Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Trump ran on border security, it helped get him elected. He’s trying to make good on that promise. That’s to be expected. Every President tries to fulfill their major campaign promises. Yes, Trump ran on building the wall. And many of the members of the House of Representatives ran on opposing the wall. They were elected on opposition to the wall. Why should they have to cave and break their election campaign promises to their base? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/165 "2018-12-30T17:24:05Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The only way I can see what you say happening is if we get something at the same level as the symbol of the wall that the Democrats can genuinely push as a win. But is there really _anything_ that’s at the same level as the symbol of the useless wall, and, not to mention - President Weirdly Loves Himself actually accepting any sort of misguided compromise in good faith without eventually dissing/reneging/flipping on it? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/166 "2018-12-30T19:25:59Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Best case scenario: Congress passes the identical bill the House already passed and Donny gets to approve it and tell the American public that HE Personally stopped the shutdown out of his deep abiding love of the American people and the Evil DemocRATS plan was to shut down the Government all along so he Personally stopped them when no one else could! The _best_ case scenario is that Congress passes the bill, Trump vetoes, then his veto is overridden. That completely shuts out Trump, and shows to congress that they can get things done without him. He no longer would have any leverage, or power, or any standing whatsoever, and would simply be a lame duck till he is voted out of office in 2 years. Whether or not the republicans can muster the votes is another question. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/167 "2018-12-30T21:44:42Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Trump is punishing himself for nothing by canceling his holiday plans. > Congress isn’t in session, but he tweets that he’s there waiting? > I guess that’s his PR strategy? I’m here, where’s the D’s? The media isn’t biting and the strategy isn’t working. > [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423184-trump-tells-dems-to-come-on-over-and-make-a-deal-as-shutdown-enters](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423184-trump-tells-dems-to-come-on-over-and-make-a-deal-as-shutdown-enters) Trump & Co are trying to sell the idea that Nancy Pelosi is slacking off in a far-off exotic land–she and her family are on vacation in Hawaii–and therefore Democrats Are Awful etc. No doubt it works with Trump fans, most of whom still don’t realize that Hawaii is a state. (Nor that Congress isn’t in session, nor that the Republicans are still in full control of the government and thus if anything is to be done pre-January 3, it’s the Republicans, not Pelosi, who’d have to do it.) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/168 "2018-12-30T22:17:01Z")
The Border security bill with legislative changes to support DACA is back on the table. The original bill has already been discussed earlier in this thread. Trump stupidly rejected that bill last year. This is a step in the right direction. DACA has been a great program for young immigrants. It’s something the Democrats support. I understand the political climate has changed. It will be harder getting a revised DACA / Border security bill through Congress. [https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/30/politics/trump-government-shutdown-border-security/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F](https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/30/politics/trump-government-shutdown-border-security/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F) > [@](#): > > Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham told reporters that President Donald Trump is open to a compromise with Democrats that includes $5 billion for border security “in areas that make sense” in exchange for legislative changes to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program and immigrants with temporary protected status, or TPS. > > “(The) President didn’t commit but I think he’s very open minded,” Graham said, adding that Trump’s first response to the plan was describing it as “interesting.” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/169 "2018-12-30T22:24:27Z")
Yes, the same kind of bill that Trump twice said he would support last spring, until his hard-line supporters turned on him, and he broke the deals. Why is there any reason to think he can be trusted this time, when he broke the deal twice before? Really, you need to ask Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Stephen Miller what they think of the deal and DACA. They’re the ones who seem to have Trump’s balls in a vise on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/170 "2018-12-30T22:28:18Z")
Trump is seeing the reality that his dream of a wall is dying. Bundling it with DACA may be the only way to get some limited funding for construction. I’m hoping maybe this time Trump will grab that lifeline. Otherwise he’s S.O.L. It’s important to protect DACA. The only thing protecting it now is a court ruling. That could change in appeals. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/171 "2018-12-30T23:22:20Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Bundling it with DACA may be the only way to get some limited funding for construction. Why should we trade something both parties want (DACA and/or funding the government) in exchange for something only Trump wants (Wall)? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/172 "2018-12-30T23:34:18Z")
Has the Supreme Court reviewed the lower court ruling on DACA? Have they said if they’ll accept the case? I’m not sure where it is in the appeals process. There’s some urgency to get legislation before it’s too late. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/173 "2018-12-30T23:55:09Z")
9th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled. > **[Appeals court rules against Trump administration on DACA immigration program](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/appeals-court-rules-against-trump-administration-on-daca-immigration-program)** > > A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously kept in place a preliminary injunction blocking President Trump's decision to phase out the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. DACA goes to the Supreme Court probably in 2019. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/174 "2018-12-31T01:02:50Z")
Just to clarify, I am not advocating for trusting President Bone Spurs. It’s negotiating with terrorists, and the rule is first the terrorist has to let some hostages go, then he gets a KFC big bucket. Pelosi is a master negotiator, and you’re trying to tell me she can’t come up with a big bag of goodies including DACA that’s worth $5 billion? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/175 "2018-12-31T05:52:21Z")
Pelosi is not the problem here. I’m sure she could make a wishlist that would sell the wall to her fellow Dems - everyone in this thread could probably write that list - but a) she is not the House Speaker at this time and b) Congress is on holiday. Also: c) Pelosi & Congress already put a bill in front of Donald and he’s the one who fucked it up. Trying to make this Nancy Pelosi’s responsibility ignores the reality of the situation that the problem is Donald’s complete lack of good faith. Donald’s response to the Daca for Wall funds swap, “Interesting”, as if he hadn’t torpedoed that move last year, show’s that he’s still not being an honest dealer. Attempting to cast this as the Democrats playing semantic games because obviously it’s not going to be a _wall_ wall is just more dishonesty. Trying to say Pelosi or Schumer are responsible for solving this just provides Donald cover for his bad faith. Personally, I’m still not convinced that Donald understands that he is not going to get a check made to cash with this money. At this point, I would never vote for wall funding until we’ve seen the actual plans, including construction costs, complete route, a plan for the Rio Grande, maintenance roads & eminent domain seizures. I also want the accounting department to review the plans and gives us a real tally. And I want a line by line accounting for where that 5 million is going to go. It’s time to show us the specifics here. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/176 "2018-12-31T06:47:19Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Trump is seeing the reality that his dream of a wall is dying. I think we should keep in mind that Trump doesn’t really want a wall, or care if it’s actually built. (If he really cared about getting an actual wall built, he had a pathway to make it happen before, (and still does), yet he hasn’t even tried to follow those.) All Trump wants is the rhetorical battle around the wall, and the optics that provides. We can’t understand this situation if we don’t realize this. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/177 "2018-12-31T07:14:53Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Why should we trade something both parties want (DACA and/or funding the government) in exchange for something only Trump wants (Wall)? If both parties really wanted these things, they’d be done. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/178 "2018-12-31T13:05:21Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > If both parties really wanted these things, they’d be done. Both parties want the government funded, but that hasn’t happened either. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/179 "2018-12-31T13:37:54Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Personally, I’m still not convinced that Donald understands that he is not going to get a check made to cash with this money. At this point, I would never vote for wall funding until we’ve seen the actual plans, including construction costs, complete route, a plan for the Rio Grande, maintenance roads & eminent domain seizures. I also want the accounting department to review the plans and gives us a real tally. And I want a line by line accounting for where that 5 million is going to go. It’s time to show us the specifics here. I thought the route was already pretty well mapped out. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591/180 "2018-12-31T14:43:46Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Both parties want the government funded, but that hasn’t happened either. Assumes facts not yet placed in evidence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosi-and-schumer-say-theyll-pass-legislation-to-end-the-shutdown-how/826591.md?page=10)