# Pelosi's Palatial Plane Preference: Piggishness or Republican Pablam? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 8, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385 "2007-02-08T18:40:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/61 "2007-02-09T16:27:24Z")
The Repubs pounded this line over and over yesterday. It was a clear example of Democratic love of spending and expansion of government. It was not a story of her living farther away. They ran with it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/62 "2007-02-09T17:06:15Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] That is the most commonly accepted meaning. When one says “I wonder”, it is widely understood to imply conjecture, speculation. As bitter as it is to admit, you’ve certainly got me on that one, **John**. I must freely confess, yes, indeed, that was a speculation. No getting around it, you got me dead to rights. Woe. [/QUOTE] Eh. I specifically said it wasn’t my main point, so save your sarcasm. The point is that this story was picked up by the MSM because they were all there when it happened, not because someone on the right “pushed” it on them. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/63 "2007-02-09T17:28:15Z")
John, the story being covered once, and the story becoming a talking point that gets further and extended play and discussion is just not the same thing. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/64 "2007-02-09T17:53:49Z")
[QUOTE=Apos] John, the story being covered once, and the story becoming a talking point that gets further and extended play and discussion is just not the same thing. Sorry. [/QUOTE] Well, I won’t divert the discussion in this thread any further, but “the story” didn’t get extended play in the MSM. It was talked about for a day or two, and then dropped off the radar. So, no, it isn’t “the same thing” as, for instance, the Pelosi story. The “right wing” had nothing to do with when or how much the MSM reported on the Clinton story. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/65 "2007-02-09T21:15:21Z")
[QUOTE=Magiver] So we should ask the SAT what changed with the new speaker. [/QUOTE] You mean besides the fact that the new speaker lives over 1000 miles further away from DC from the old? ---
**Author:** ![According\_to\_Pliny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@According\_to\_Pliny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/According_to_Pliny)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/66 "2007-02-09T22:18:42Z")
Her problem was that Murtha wanted to throw his weight around without telliong her, got her bad press, and now she’s not able to complain because she needs his support on real issues. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/67 "2007-02-09T22:38:11Z")
[QUOTE=Martiju] My bolding. I thought all planes, once they leave the ground, had enough fuel (or energy at least) to reach the crash site…! [/QUOTE] That’s what made his guarantee ironclad. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/68 "2007-02-09T23:38:56Z")
[QUOTE=magellan01] I was wondering about specifics. Namely, the actual tradeoff between payload vs range, and what the common practice is regarding maximum range capability and “working range”. Can you shed light on any of that? [/QUOTE] It wouldn’t be “common practice” in this situation. USAF does what it thinks it needs to do in the cause of security. Civillian lightplane legal reserves (which don’t have much real meaning even to those of us who know how useless lightplane fuel gauges are) are irrelevant here. Nobody here can obtain the flight-planning numbers that actually apply in this case. > [@Sam Stone](#): > > Pelosi has apparently requested a plane You really do need to stop trusting the Washington Times as unquestioningly as Fox News does. You have been shown the facts already; why must you continue spreading this falsehood? > [@martiju](#): > > I really, really wish we weren’t living in a society so in need of smears and scandals to keep us interested in “news.” The Fight Against Ignorance is a necessary one. Part of it is exposing smears, such as this one, for what they are. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/69 "2007-02-10T00:56:35Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] You mean besides the fact that the new speaker lives over 1000 miles further away from DC from the old? [/QUOTE] wasn’t aware she lived in Paris. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/70 "2007-02-10T01:57:30Z")
[QUOTE=Magiver] wasn’t aware she lived in Paris. [/QUOTE] You’re aware that the United States is, you know, a fair ways across, right? ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/71 "2007-02-10T02:18:52Z")
The supposed Pelosi actions as to the type of airplane never happened. Even [White House spokesman, Tony Snow says that the hooha is bunk.](http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/08/pelosi-snow-livingood/) > [@](#): > > Also today, House Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood released a new statement emphasizing that it was he — not Pelosi — who requested she use an aircraft capable of flying non-stop to her district in California to “ensure communications capabilities and also enhance security.” > > > [@House Sgt. at Arms](#): > > > > In a post 9/11 threat environment, it is reasonable and prudent to provide military aircraft to the Speaker for official travel between Washington and her district. … The fact that Speaker Pelosi lives in California compelled me to request an aircraft that is capable of making non-stop flights for security purposes, unless such an aircraft is unavailable. This will ensure communications capabilities and also enhance security. … I regret that an issue that is exclusively considered and decided in a security context has evolved into a political issue. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/72 "2007-02-10T02:36:59Z")
[QUOTE=Raygun99] You’re aware that the United States is, you know, a fair ways across, right? [/QUOTE] You’re aware there are airports along the way that can top off a G-III and whatever champagne refills are needed. Wouldn’t want the queen of green to have to fuel stop a gas guzzling luxury jet when an even more inefficient one is available. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/73 "2007-02-10T02:38:43Z")
[QUOTE=Magiver] You’re aware there are airports along the way that can top off a G-III and whatever champagne refills are needed. Wouldn’t want the queen of green to have to fuel stop a gas guzzling luxury jet when an even more inefficient one is available. [/QUOTE] Good goddamn, are you serious? Have you read the many links in this thread pointing out that **this was not Pelosi’s request**? Do you think the White House is so buddybuddy with Pelosi that they’re desperate to cover for her? What strange twisted logic do you use to account for all the facts in evidence? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/74 "2007-02-10T02:41:32Z")
[QUOTE=Magiver] You’re aware there are airports along the way that can top off a G-III and whatever champagne refills are needed. Wouldn’t want the queen of green to have to fuel stop a gas guzzling luxury jet when an even more inefficient one is available. [/QUOTE] Oh my God. Someone on this board is actually stupid enough to believe this RNC crap. Unbelievable! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/75 "2007-02-10T03:04:41Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] Good goddamn, are you serious? Have you read the many links in this thread pointing out that **this was not Pelosi’s request**? Do you think the White House is so buddybuddy with Pelosi that they’re desperate to cover for her? What strange twisted logic do you use to account for all the facts in evidence? Daniel [/QUOTE] Well I’m just confused. Al Gore is circumnavigating the globe to preach the gospel of doom but the leader of the same party doesn’t seek out the least damaging form of travel. She’s either a hypocrite or a liar. Pick one. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/76 "2007-02-10T03:06:22Z")
[QUOTE=Frostillicus] Oh my God. Someone on this board is actually stupid enough to believe this RNC crap. Unbelievable! :eek: [/QUOTE] Well fuck you too, and the luxury aircraft your candidate rode in on. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/77 "2007-02-10T03:13:00Z")
[QUOTE=Magiver] Well I’m just confused. Al Gore is circumnavigating the globe to preach the gospel of doom but the leader of the same party doesn’t seek out the least damaging form of travel. She’s either a hypocrite or a liar. Pick one. [/QUOTE] Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi, despite their striking resemblence to each other, are in fact two different people. How can Al Gore’s actions make Nancy Pelosi into a hypocrite? ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/78 "2007-02-10T03:13:51Z")
[QUOTE=Magiver] Well I’m just confused. Al Gore is circumnavigating the globe to preach the gospel of doom but the leader of the same party doesn’t seek out the least damaging form of travel. She’s either a hypocrite or a liar. Pick one. [/QUOTE] I don’t have to pick one, since she’s neither. It’s been pointed out multiple times in this thread that she made no such request (and even if she did, what would Al Gore’s activities have to do with Pelosi? Does everything John McCain do reflect on Dubya?), and that it was the Sergeant-at-Arms of the House that initiated these proceedings. I can only conclude that you are willfully ignorant at this point. ---
**Author:** ![furlibusea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@furlibusea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furlibusea)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/79 "2007-02-10T03:16:58Z")
I am sorry **Magiver** , What part of **IT WAS NOT HER REQUEST** did you miss? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2007, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385/80 "2007-02-10T03:22:37Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi, despite their striking resemblence to each other, are in fact two different people. How can Al Gore’s actions make Nancy Pelosi into a hypocrite? [/QUOTE] The common denominator is Democratic Party (which I refered to) which espouses reductions in green house gases and is against drilling for oil. It’s not a big deal unless you surrounded the wagons and make excuses. Then it’s funny. It’s funny because a Republican used a G-III, and all of a sudden it’s not good enough. Laugh and the whole world laughs with you. Make excuses and the whole world laughs at you. Deal with the fact that a seasoned congresswoman got her hand caught in the perks cookie jar. It’s not a crime, it’s just funny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pelosis-palatial-plane-preference-piggishness-or-republican-pablam/391385.md?page=5)